camcorder video to dvd.......... FPS confusion
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I've been looking for a budget camcorder and seen the Sanyo Xacti for less than £100.
I would like it to be able to film from a moving vehicle, as well as general shooting.
The reviews have raised the question of slight incompatability then transferring between HD recording 30fps and PAL DVD recorder at 25fps.
I have no experience of digital video and wondered if this really is a problem, or if it is can it be overcome?
Where does faster 60fps fit in?
any advice, or direction towards a reccomended budget HD Camcorder will hopefully clear the mist.
R
I would like it to be able to film from a moving vehicle, as well as general shooting.
The reviews have raised the question of slight incompatability then transferring between HD recording 30fps and PAL DVD recorder at 25fps.
I have no experience of digital video and wondered if this really is a problem, or if it is can it be overcome?
Where does faster 60fps fit in?
any advice, or direction towards a reccomended budget HD Camcorder will hopefully clear the mist.
R
[quote=R&J]I've been looking for a budget camcorder and seen the Sanyo Xacti for less than £100.
I would like it to be able to film from a moving vehicle, as well as general shooting.
The reviews have raised the question of slight incompatability then transferring between HD recording 30fps and PAL DVD recorder at 25fps.
I have no experience of digital video and wondered if this really is a problem, or if it is can it be overcome?
Where does faster 60fps fit in?
any advice, or direction towards a reccomended budget HD Camcorder will hopefully clear the mist.
R
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How would you be transferring it to DVD? Via a hook up from camera to DVDR or on a PC?
60fps can be used for slow motion stuff I think.
I would like it to be able to film from a moving vehicle, as well as general shooting.
The reviews have raised the question of slight incompatability then transferring between HD recording 30fps and PAL DVD recorder at 25fps.
I have no experience of digital video and wondered if this really is a problem, or if it is can it be overcome?
Where does faster 60fps fit in?
any advice, or direction towards a reccomended budget HD Camcorder will hopefully clear the mist.
R
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How would you be transferring it to DVD? Via a hook up from camera to DVDR or on a PC?
60fps can be used for slow motion stuff I think.
Transfer can be by red white and yellow leads directly into a DVD recorder (DVD-R).
Possibly from camera to Laptop / PC.
I don't have video editing experience so the easier the better :-)
not sure what the camera will allow, maybe from memory card direct to the laptop / PC
any advice will be used in the decision of which camera
Possibly from camera to Laptop / PC.
I don't have video editing experience so the easier the better :-)
not sure what the camera will allow, maybe from memory card direct to the laptop / PC
any advice will be used in the decision of which camera
[quote=R&J]I've been looking for a budget camcorder and seen the Sanyo Xacti for less than £100.
I would like it to be able to film from a moving vehicle, as well as general shooting.
The reviews have raised the question of slight incompatability then transferring between HD recording 30fps and PAL DVD recorder at 25fps.
I have no experience of digital video and wondered if this really is a problem, or if it is can it be overcome?
Where does faster 60fps fit in?
any advice, or direction towards a reccomended budget HD Camcorder will hopefully clear the mist.
R
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Hi there
UK broadcast standard is 25 fps, so all dvd's play at 25fps. 30fps is, generally speaking, american (although its actually something silly like 29.95 fps).
trancoding 30fps into 25 fps footage isnt easy- if it was a multiple of 25, it would be easy- soemthing shot at 50fps, to go on a dvd at 25 fps, all the software would have to do is throw away every other frame.
30fps into 25fps is much tricker for the software to do, and you sometime end up with odd looking motion etc. Im not really an expert on framerate conversion though.
for an easy life, id get a uk spec camcorder that records 25fps!
60fps is around because essentially 25fps isnt really enough to produce smooth motion on fast camera moves. We're stuck with 25 because back iwhen tv was invented, the idea of broadcasting 60fps or higher was crazy - consumed too much bandwidth and was a bit uncessicary when 25fps 'will do'. Broadcast standards probably will stay at 25fps for many decades- people want lots of channels and content. to change to a higher framerate would gobble more than twice the bandwidth, plus youd have to change all the pro video cameras, studio cameras, everyone would need new TV's again, the demand on editing hardware would be more than double, the storage needed for the footage would be double, someone would need to invent a new dvd/blueray disc, thats even bigger.... and so on. I read a beeb white paper that predicted in about 30-40 years, there might be a switch to a higher framerate, especially for sport.
For home use, 60fps footage will look lovely and smooth on computer (provided your computer is fast enough to play it), but will be useless for dvd, as you'll have to convert the footage.
Oh, and i forgot - 60fps can be used for slow motion- playback your 60fps at 25fps, and you have almost half speed slow motion.
hope my ramblings helped!
I would like it to be able to film from a moving vehicle, as well as general shooting.
The reviews have raised the question of slight incompatability then transferring between HD recording 30fps and PAL DVD recorder at 25fps.
I have no experience of digital video and wondered if this really is a problem, or if it is can it be overcome?
Where does faster 60fps fit in?
any advice, or direction towards a reccomended budget HD Camcorder will hopefully clear the mist.
R
[/quote]
Hi there
UK broadcast standard is 25 fps, so all dvd's play at 25fps. 30fps is, generally speaking, american (although its actually something silly like 29.95 fps).
trancoding 30fps into 25 fps footage isnt easy- if it was a multiple of 25, it would be easy- soemthing shot at 50fps, to go on a dvd at 25 fps, all the software would have to do is throw away every other frame.
30fps into 25fps is much tricker for the software to do, and you sometime end up with odd looking motion etc. Im not really an expert on framerate conversion though.
for an easy life, id get a uk spec camcorder that records 25fps!
60fps is around because essentially 25fps isnt really enough to produce smooth motion on fast camera moves. We're stuck with 25 because back iwhen tv was invented, the idea of broadcasting 60fps or higher was crazy - consumed too much bandwidth and was a bit uncessicary when 25fps 'will do'. Broadcast standards probably will stay at 25fps for many decades- people want lots of channels and content. to change to a higher framerate would gobble more than twice the bandwidth, plus youd have to change all the pro video cameras, studio cameras, everyone would need new TV's again, the demand on editing hardware would be more than double, the storage needed for the footage would be double, someone would need to invent a new dvd/blueray disc, thats even bigger.... and so on. I read a beeb white paper that predicted in about 30-40 years, there might be a switch to a higher framerate, especially for sport.
For home use, 60fps footage will look lovely and smooth on computer (provided your computer is fast enough to play it), but will be useless for dvd, as you'll have to convert the footage.
Oh, and i forgot - 60fps can be used for slow motion- playback your 60fps at 25fps, and you have almost half speed slow motion.
hope my ramblings helped!
As above, if you want good results guaranteed, then buy a camcorder which records at 25fps.
Otherwise, whatever method you use to get the footage from the camcorder to a DVD, you may see some effects caused by the difference in frame rates. In practise, though, most people don't really notice this or even if they do, it doesn't usually affect the viewing experience enough to worry about it.
The effect will usually show up on a steady panning shot or with scrolling titles as a slight judder or hesitation in the playback.
Some (usually high end) editing and transcoding software is capable of decent framerate cobversion, but you won't have this in domestic, low end stuff.
The vast majority of cheap video recorders coming out of the far east will record at 30fps because they see their main market as being the far east and the U.S., where they use NTSC at 30fps (29.97 to be pedantic).
Otherwise, whatever method you use to get the footage from the camcorder to a DVD, you may see some effects caused by the difference in frame rates. In practise, though, most people don't really notice this or even if they do, it doesn't usually affect the viewing experience enough to worry about it.
The effect will usually show up on a steady panning shot or with scrolling titles as a slight judder or hesitation in the playback.
Some (usually high end) editing and transcoding software is capable of decent framerate cobversion, but you won't have this in domestic, low end stuff.
The vast majority of cheap video recorders coming out of the far east will record at 30fps because they see their main market as being the far east and the U.S., where they use NTSC at 30fps (29.97 to be pedantic).
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