s1 partial lift
s1 partial lift
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mikel003003

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1,084 posts

195 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Happy new year everyone, quick question are there body mounting bolts under the center console, where abouts ? Also, how much more work is it to do a full lift and what is it that actually limits the height you can lift ? Thanks

davedogfish

52 posts

193 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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On the S3 there are two bolts, one either side of the backbone about level with the rear of the radio. Should be common to all of the S series.

S2Andy

311 posts

242 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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No as far as I am aware centre cosole bolts only came with S3. My late S2 has the locations on the chassis but no bolts were ever fitted.

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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My friend Jim lifted the body on his S1 and I'm sure there were no bolts on the centre console.

My own S3C definitely had them - as said above, I think they were added during production, to the S2 or S3, but not the S1.

mikel003003

Original Poster:

1,084 posts

195 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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So if they are there would they be visible from the 'side pods ' ?

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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mikel003003 said:
So if they are there would they be visible from the 'side pods ' ?
Not necessarily, but if you look at the pics on my web site, in the section on "chassis repair" and you'll see where they are. Or on your case, more likely aren't.

The Big G

1,004 posts

197 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Here is a link for a diagram of body off bolt positions

http://www.tvrccoxford.co.uk/images/chassisbolts.p...

Shamelessly lifted from barkychoc's body off thread.

As said before the earlier cars didn't have the bolts through from beneath the centre console.

His thread is here and it has lots of good info on it on his V8s rebuild. I found it invaluable when doing mine.


Hope this helps

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Think the bolts have been pretty well covered Mike, as for taking body right off or just a lift I guess its just a "few" wires, brake pipes cables etc? It is basically these that limit how high it can be lifted.

When I set about my outriggers body off would have given better and easier access but there were maybe two main reasons why I went for a lift and not "right off"


1. Corrosion wasn't too bad, only the corners needed cutting out and replacing.

2. I had bought this car to drive and so allowed myself a week to sort it (most time consuming was waiting for paint to dry) and get car back in use. Would have been all too easy for a body off to turn into a major rebuild, been down that road before, wanted the S to be a usable "rolling" restoration and not a garage (garden, house and shed) full of bits and a "will this ever go back together" feeling.

Barkychoc

7,848 posts

233 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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If you undo the two nuts holding the brake master to the servo and ease it forward off the servo there is no need to disconnect brake pipes.

Clutch make your own mind up but prob easiest just to remove pipe if it will come undone.

mikel003003

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1,084 posts

195 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Barkychoc said:
If you undo the two nuts holding the brake master to the servo and ease it forward off the servo there is no need to disconnect brake pipes.

Clutch make your own mind up but prob easiest just to remove pipe if it will come undone.
That's for body off though ?

mikel003003

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1,084 posts

195 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Thanks by the way, helpfull as always.

Barkychoc

7,848 posts

233 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Well if you are doing a mini lift or whatever you want to call it have you got enough slack on the pipes? I wouldn't risk it personally.
The body has to slide back initially anyway so master cylinder hardly needs to move if you just seperate from servo.

No way will you get away with the clutch pipe it is a very stiff pipe you'll damage it unless you disconnect something.

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Barkychoc said:
If you undo the two nuts holding the brake master to the servo and ease it forward off the servo there is no need to disconnect brake pipes.

Clutch make your own mind up but prob easiest just to remove pipe if it will come undone.
I found that, provided I snipped off the cable ties holding the brake and clutch pipes to the chassis, there was easily enough flex in the pipes to lift the body by 5 or 6 inches, enough to do an outrigger repair.

Barkychoc said:
The body has to slide back initially anyway
Mine didn't.

Barkychoc said:
No way will you get away with the clutch pipe it is a very stiff pipe you'll damage it unless you disconnect something.
Mine didn't.

Admittedly, it's very difficult to run around the car checking wiring and brake pipes etc as you lift by tiny amounts at a time, but it's possible if you are careful.

Edited by tvrgit on Wednesday 2nd January 11:27

Eelblady

66 posts

176 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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tvrgit said:
Mine didn't.

Admittedly, it's very difficult to run around the car checking wiring and brake pipes etc as you lift by tiny amounts at a time, but it's possible if you are careful.
Having just completed a 'mini' lift on my S3C, I second tvrgit's comments above. I disconnected the wiring for the tank sender and snipped a cable tie here and there but that was it in terms of disconnecting, loosening and so on.

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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phillpot said:
When I set about my outriggers body off would have given better and easier access but there were maybe two main reasons why I went for a lift and not "right off"

1. Corrosion wasn't too bad, only the corners needed cutting out and replacing.

2. I had bought this car to drive and so allowed myself a week to sort it (most time consuming was waiting for paint to dry) and get car back in use. Would have been all too easy for a body off to turn into a major rebuild, been down that road before, wanted the S to be a usable "rolling" restoration and not a garage (garden, house and shed) full of bits and a "will this ever go back together" feeling.
Exactly my reasons as well. I took more than a week though because I'm lazy and fat. Oh and also because I spent more time (As I usually do) writing up my web site than I spend doing the work in the first place.

There's a full bolt-by-bolt article on the whole "body lift" here http://www.andrewc.org.uk/tvrgit/bodylift.html


mikel003003

Original Poster:

1,084 posts

195 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Thanks, I have looked at yours ( and others ) sites and they are a great help, I will disconnect the brake master cylinder any way can't quite picture the clutch set up at the moment but will have a look, what about the steering, can I just seperate a Uj?

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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mikel003003 said:
what about the steering, can I just seperate a Uj?
Yep. top one is easiest, simple clamp arrangement onto the triangular end of the steering column and steering wheel should still end up aligned when you put it back together.

tvrgit

8,489 posts

281 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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As phillpot says, just separate the top steering u/j.

It's all on my web site article!

mikel003003

Original Poster:

1,084 posts

195 months

Sunday 6th January 2013
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A little more help please, went to remove the handbrake today and where I expected to see a bolt was a big blob of weld is this normal? If not, any suggestions ?

phillpot

17,509 posts

212 months

Sunday 6th January 2013
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hopefully someone will be along shortly who knows for sure but I think you need to disconnect the cable from underneath and remove the little arm (no. 10), held on by a pinch bolt, from shaft that comes through the body from the lever.
The lever will now pull out or might need un-bolting from chassis ?

I do remember there's not a lot of room up there unless you happen to have the gearbox out!



Edited by phillpot on Sunday 6th January 13:45