Engine fault
Engine fault
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oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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My engine's not running properly. So as today is nice and sunny I would like to try my hand at fixing it myself. Then I can go for a nice drive...

Here are the symptoms:

- starts ok (as usual)
- idle is fine
- rev from idle = large flat spot and then rough sounding (like not firing on all cylinders)
- when driving it sounds a bit like a big lawn mower and is under powered
- ocassionally at low revs it 'lurches' as if suddenly it's firing properly

I've eliminated throttle pot as when disconnected the engine gives the same problem.

I've also checked that the leads are all connected and that the distributor is not damp inside.

Someone must have had similar before...
Any suggestions?


old64er

1,388 posts

262 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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it may be the coil breaking down under load

is it excessivly hot??


>> Edited by old64er on Sunday 16th January 10:03

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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old64er said:

is it excessivly hot??

It's not especially hot. Must admit coil did cross my mind as being a culprit - I'll check the parts list. Wonder if Halfrauds stock 'em?

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Can anyone recommend a suitable coil (!)
Anyone used the Demon Tweeks one?
What is right for an S2 (1989)?

mowog

258 posts

308 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Halfords stock the right coil - Lucas DLB 125

Good luck!
Darren

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Thanks Darren!
I'll let you know how it goes

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

308 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Sounds like a metering problem. Do you have air flow meters? Otherwise possibly the throttle pot. (Same symptoms when disconnected does not prove it is OK.)

It would be worth sticking a passive strobe in the king lead to confirm you have a healthy spark, that would rule out an ignition problem.

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Just renewed the coil and, although it has improved slightly, the problem is still there at low revs.

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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GreenV8S said:
Sounds like a metering problem. Do you have air flow meters? Otherwise possibly the throttle pot. (Same symptoms when disconnected does not prove it is OK.)

It would be worth sticking a passive strobe in the king lead to confirm you have a healthy spark, that would rule out an ignition problem.

Not too sure about air flow meters (and I've lost my copy of the Bible - it's been 'tidied up' somewhere).

So, disconnecting the TP is not really a valid test then?

NickP_S2

158 posts

265 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Was the rotor arm okay?

Any symptoms when revving the engine in neutral or is it only happening while driving?

More than likely a fuel starvation problem I'd have thought... The symptoms you have described may be due to any of the following:
a) lambda sensor(s),
b) faulty temperature sensor(s) and thermotime switche(s)
c) throttle potentiometer
d) fuel injector(s)

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Thanks for the replies so far!

NickP_S2 said:
Was the rotor arm okay?

rotor looked ok - I renewed it about 9 months ago

NickP_S2 said:
Any symptoms when revving the engine in neutral or is it only happening while driving?

Symptoms are apparent when revving in neutral. Problem seems to disappear when revving hard whilst driving.

NickP_S2 said:
More than likely a fuel starvation problem I'd have thought... The symptoms you have described may be due to any of the following:
a) lambda sensor(s),
b) faulty temperature sensor(s) and thermotime switche(s)
c) throttle potentiometer
d) fuel injector(s)

Think I'll do more testing on the TP as it's let me down before. It's a Cerbera one on there at the moment.

Fuel injectors were cleaned last summer.

Not too sure how to check the sensors.

WildfireS3

9,919 posts

276 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Check the colour of the plugs. If it is black then you could be over fueling. Clean the plugs off with brass wire brush and try again, or clean them off with a blow torch.

bugsy

1,371 posts

260 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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I know it's nice to try and do the work yourself
but would it not be constructive to plug a tester to the Ecu like I did Saturday and see if any faults come up before you start replacing unnecesarily.
Potentially you could spend £150 without curing the problem,unless you were lucky

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Sunday 16th January 2005
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Agree - I just took a long drive and it's no better. I'm on the phone to Austec in the morning - unless anyone's got an ecu tester near me...

oatz

Original Poster:

381 posts

274 months

Thursday 20th January 2005
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NickP_S2 said:
More than likely a fuel starvation problem I'd have thought...

Well done! On a whim I stopped at a garage to fill up and, whilst paying, saw some of that injector cleaning petrol additive stuff on the shelf.

After a short drive with it in the tank and me revving hard the problem has disappeared.

I'm happy again. Thanks for the tip!

KentishS2

15,169 posts

258 months

Thursday 20th January 2005
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Hi Paul,

Sorry I have missed this post until now, thought it worth mentioning that there is apparently a fuel filter in the tank and this can starve the pump of fuel if it becomes clogged and can lead to pump failure if not dealt with.

I discovered this from somebody else and then had the same problem on mine and had to replace my pump as it packed up after a while but leading up to that I had all the same symptoms as yourself.

Listen out for an irregular noise from your pump as you start your engine.

foxy600

428 posts

277 months

Thursday 20th January 2005
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I had very similar symptoms a few months ago, just after I had washed the car. When I took it out, it was running very rough, was OK at idle, but would not accelerate without lurching about. I made it back home and left the car for a while, when I went back out 30 mins later it had cleared completely!
I am convinced it was water that had got in somewhere, possibly the TP? Something to watch for though, I am VERY careful now when washing the car