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i fancy changing the 15" chimera wheels i have fitted at the moment,
!7" seems to be where to go
. I love the look of KentishS2 wolfrace. Not sure about ordering numbers, ie 4x108 with an ET10. What does it mean, And is that what i ask for? If i go for 17"s do i fit 205-40. Believe it or not,I can get a stonkin deal at Halfruads, (nice people) Pity they know less about wheels than I do
!7" seems to be where to go
. I love the look of KentishS2 wolfrace. Not sure about ordering numbers, ie 4x108 with an ET10. What does it mean, And is that what i ask for? If i go for 17"s do i fit 205-40. Believe it or not,I can get a stonkin deal at Halfruads, (nice people) Pity they know less about wheels than I do 
ET is the offset. Keep it about the same. 5 - 10 for a 7" rim and 0 - 5 for a 7.5" rim.
215/45/17 is probably the best choice for tyres and combine it with a 7.5j rim. You could also try 16" with 205/55 tyres.
There are a few other points; assuming that you keep the rolling radius the same then larger wheels will:
Downside: - cost more, have more expensive tyres, perform worse in the wet, perform worse on bumpy roads, be more susceptible to tram lining, increase the weight of the car, increase the unsprung weight, produce a harsher ride, increase the rotating unsprung weight (second moment of inertia) and be more liable to scuffing on kerbs when parking.
On the plus side they should: - prevent the tyre from distorting thus giving greater cornering grip in the dry and on smooth roads, be more direct giving greater steering feel, produce less heat and be better for long high speed journeys, have less tyre wall flex (thus reducing both heat and fatigue) and effectively increase the spring rates being an easy way to fine tune your springing rates from summer to winter if you swap back to the smaller wheels for winter and they should look good.
Also note that fitting lower section tyres with less sidewall flex can make the car more sensitive to suspension geometry changes. Lowering the car can adversely affect the handling by throwing the static geometry out, and giving you too much camber correction and bump steer.
215/45/17 is probably the best choice for tyres and combine it with a 7.5j rim. You could also try 16" with 205/55 tyres.
There are a few other points; assuming that you keep the rolling radius the same then larger wheels will:
Downside: - cost more, have more expensive tyres, perform worse in the wet, perform worse on bumpy roads, be more susceptible to tram lining, increase the weight of the car, increase the unsprung weight, produce a harsher ride, increase the rotating unsprung weight (second moment of inertia) and be more liable to scuffing on kerbs when parking.
On the plus side they should: - prevent the tyre from distorting thus giving greater cornering grip in the dry and on smooth roads, be more direct giving greater steering feel, produce less heat and be better for long high speed journeys, have less tyre wall flex (thus reducing both heat and fatigue) and effectively increase the spring rates being an easy way to fine tune your springing rates from summer to winter if you swap back to the smaller wheels for winter and they should look good.
Also note that fitting lower section tyres with less sidewall flex can make the car more sensitive to suspension geometry changes. Lowering the car can adversely affect the handling by throwing the static geometry out, and giving you too much camber correction and bump steer.
Thanks Tony 
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I agree with 19560 but I didn't find that there were any problems at all, not even the ride feeling bumpier which I was expecting.
Tramlining isn't a problem either although it is on my BMW, perhaps it is something to do with the track and alignment of rear and front wheels?
>> Edited by KentishS2 on Wednesday 2nd February 10:24
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I agree with 19560 but I didn't find that there were any problems at all, not even the ride feeling bumpier which I was expecting.
Tramlining isn't a problem either although it is on my BMW, perhaps it is something to do with the track and alignment of rear and front wheels?
>> Edited by KentishS2 on Wednesday 2nd February 10:24
Think KS2 said they were Peugeot fitments. 
Had a head busting conversation with an alloy wheel specialist.
He says peugeot wheels will fit but the centre spiggot is larger size than on tivs so the wheels might develope a wobble, giving the sensation of wheel out of ballance. I can understand what he means but surely that would only happen if the nuts came loose. He was talking 2mm differance. I thought the nuts held it in a centralised position as well as the hub centre, therefore tight nuts (Cue the joke somewhere)are more important
He says peugeot wheels will fit but the centre spiggot is larger size than on tivs so the wheels might develope a wobble, giving the sensation of wheel out of ballance. I can understand what he means but surely that would only happen if the nuts came loose. He was talking 2mm differance. I thought the nuts held it in a centralised position as well as the hub centre, therefore tight nuts (Cue the joke somewhere)are more important
KentishS2! When you say "peugeot fitment" Is this a car specific, ie 206-306etc or just peugeot. Shop want to know when ordering. What size rim you got 7"(no jokes) & tyres? Bit of a risk ordering when not 100% sure they will fit. Surely Tivs cant differ that much in the wheel department
TOPTON said:
KentishS2! When you say "peugeot fitment" Is this a car specific, ie 206-306etc or just peugeot. Shop want to know when ordering. What size rim you got 7"(no jokes) & tyres? Bit of a risk ordering when not 100% sure they will fit. Surely Tivs cant differ that much in the wheel department
Tony,
They were 4x108 ET10 and I'll get you the contact details of where they came from. You'll be amazed at the price! Fitment was the same as Pug 406 IIRC. Some Pugs have a slightly different offset but not by much, about ET15-20 but the ET10 sits in the arches perfectly and there were no problems with the hub fitment, no handling problems at all. In fact it's better now than before when I had the standard OZ alloys fitted (tyres used to rub the liners).
They are also a fair bit less weight than the old alloys and there's less weight in each tyre as it's lower profile (much less rubber). The ride is fractionally bumpier, I thought it would be worse but no great difference.
kentishs2 said:
there's less weight in each tyre as it's lower profile (much less rubber).
It doesn't work out like that in practice. I did a bit of checking on this a couple of weeks ago. The problem is that there is more steel in the low profiule tyres to maintain there shape.
I've had a chat to Goodyear and found the following weights for GSD3s:-
195/50/15 8.18kg or 18.03lbs
195/45/16 8.38kg or 18.47lbs
205/45/16 8.92kg or 19.67lbs
215/40/16 8.12kg or 17.90lbs
205/40/17 9.09kg or 20.03lbs
They seem to be about the same weight as the Toyo T1-Rs. That 215/40 weight seemed a little light so I rang back to check and it is correct; he also pointed out that there is only 2lbs between the heaviest and the lightest.
Cheers
KS2, copying is a form of flattery, them wheels do look good. Hope i am severly shocked by the price.
Larryb----Got no e mail, have checked address on profile & its correct. Try again and again, especially if you tring to give me money
missed out the y, trying! thoughts of money made me quiver
>> Edited by TOPTON on Wednesday 2nd February 19:21
KS2, copying is a form of flattery, them wheels do look good. Hope i am severly shocked by the price. Larryb----Got no e mail, have checked address on profile & its correct. Try again and again, especially if you tring to give me money
missed out the y, trying! thoughts of money made me quiver
>> Edited by TOPTON on Wednesday 2nd February 19:21
I thought standard S rims are ET25.
ET10 means a 2x 15mm wider track.
This will give more load on your wheel bearings and probably more wear.
My V8S has 16inch 5-spoke Chimeara rims ET33 with 225/50 SO-2´s.
A lot of tramlining (is this an English word?).
Can this be caused by the (slightly) smaller track.
Who is running these rims on a V8S but with spacers?
ET10 means a 2x 15mm wider track.
This will give more load on your wheel bearings and probably more wear.
My V8S has 16inch 5-spoke Chimeara rims ET33 with 225/50 SO-2´s.
A lot of tramlining (is this an English word?).
Can this be caused by the (slightly) smaller track.
Who is running these rims on a V8S but with spacers?
For those changing wheels and going up in size, this is about the best conversion scale I can find.
Keep below 2.5% difference.
www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresize.html
If I change my tyres from 40 profile to 50, they'll still fit and I'll have an extra 20mm ground clearance, or so it appears!
Anyone want some new 205/40 x17's?
>> Edited by kentishS2 on Thursday 10th February 15:11
Keep below 2.5% difference.
www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresize.html
If I change my tyres from 40 profile to 50, they'll still fit and I'll have an extra 20mm ground clearance, or so it appears!
Anyone want some new 205/40 x17's?
>> Edited by kentishS2 on Thursday 10th February 15:11
kentishS2 said:
Tony,
I can't find my invoice now for my wheels but IIRC they were from Midland Wheels and Tyres.
The wolfrace I have are no longer made now but these are really nice and IMHO would suit the S really well. They are sub-£500!
They are nice,
I also like AmyZoe's wheels as talked about here
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=112357&f=11&h=0|www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=112357&f=11&h=0
Also available for just under 500 beer tokens i believe.
Shmern
>> Edited by shmern on Thursday 10th February 16:45
Shmern, you're a star!
Rochford, that was where mine came from not Midland and I mentioned them on a thread but couldn't find it by searching but AmyZoe bought from the same place after we got chatting, good deals available on wolfrace wheels IIRC.
Yes, AmyZoe went for one that was close in style to the OZ 8 spokes IIRC but in 17" and they do look damned good.
Rochford, that was where mine came from not Midland and I mentioned them on a thread but couldn't find it by searching but AmyZoe bought from the same place after we got chatting, good deals available on wolfrace wheels IIRC.
Yes, AmyZoe went for one that was close in style to the OZ 8 spokes IIRC but in 17" and they do look damned good.
kentishS2 said:
Tony,
I can't find my invoice now for my wheels but IIRC they were from Midland Wheels and Tyres.
The wolfrace I have are no longer made now but these are really nice and IMHO would suit the S really well. They are sub-£500!
Kentish,
What make of wheel are these? I agree, they would suit the S well.
The wheels that Amyzoe has are Wolfrace Octane. Apparently Rochford no longer have them in the correct fitment. I tried to find a set but drew a blank lots of times. Why is it, every time I give people the make and model of the Tiv, they no longer return emails/calls?!
Cheers,
Stuart.
Stuart,
They are from Midland Wheels and are approx. £495 IIRC inc. delivery and VAT.
They list them with a 4x108 PCD and a ET15 offset (perfect for the S).
Best just to say they are for a peugeot!
https://www.midlandwheelsshop.com/
They are from Midland Wheels and are approx. £495 IIRC inc. delivery and VAT.
They list them with a 4x108 PCD and a ET15 offset (perfect for the S).
Best just to say they are for a peugeot!
https://www.midlandwheelsshop.com/
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