Does this look right?

[beasleyneil]

Hi Guys novice again,

After having the suspension parts powder coated I have now reassembled the suspension. The only trouble is it doesn't look right to me.The bottom wishbones are correct and cant be swapped around the question I have is with the top wishbones are these correct? I would expect everything to Line up..... Top Suspension bracket to Upper ball joint to bottom suspension bracket and bottom ball joint. Everything seems to be rear of the suspension coil which does't look pleasing to the eye.I've tryed swapping them aound then everything then lies forward of the suspension coil.I've looked for pictures on the forum and owners linked sites for answers but cant find anything useful for my answer.

Take a look, sorry about the picture quality my camera seems to have night vision which my 2yr old has turned on and I cant turn it off!!




Off Side



Nr Side


Thanks

Neil

[clarenceboddiger]

Hope this helps, it looks original

I would say your pictures show it correctly, ie with the Spring/Damper unit forward of the centre line.If you put them on the other way I think you may find it hard to mount the ARB (guessing)due to the angle you would have to lift it to bring the mtg forward.

Edited by clarenceboddiger on Friday 8th January 06:00

[ketvrin]

Looks OK to me Neil... the shorter length of the upper wishbone should be at the back, longer at the front.

K

[Gerald-TVR]

Does this help?

[tvrgit]

Makes sense because the top ball joint must be behind the lower ball joint, because that's what determines Caster of the wheel. If they were exactly vertical you'd have no caster and you'd be fighting the steering all the time. The spring can be mounted vertically, in the same plane as suspension movement.

What you don't want is the top ball joint IN FRONT of the lower one, because it would be like driving an ASDA* trolley with 2 wonky wheels.

* - other brands of wonky-wheeled shopping trolley may be available in your area

[beasleyneil]

Thanks Guys

You have put my mind at rest,wheels on tonight and back on her boots she will go!

Brill!!!
Regards
Neil

Norm, will contact you to arrange postage for the bits I've bought looks like I wont be able to pick them up for a while...Get a price for me if you would be so kind.Thanks Neil

[Barkychoc]

I think you have what you need now but this clearly illustrates it - the wishbone is still attached to the car on the drivers side with the passenger side one sitting on top.
Note the wishbones are a slightly different shape as its a V8S with wider track.

[beasleyneil]

Barcychoc


TvrGit says

What you don't want is the top ball joint IN FRONT of the lower one, because it would be like driving an ASDA* trolley with 2 wonky wheels.


It may be the angle of the photo but the top ball joint does look as if it is front of the bottom ball joint,correct me if I'm wrong.Or am I missing something??

Thanks
Neil

How do you quote off previous threads?

[beasleyneil]

Ok I'm a numbty I've just spotted the obvious,I must stop starting the wine too early.Mayby we should start up the plonker of the year award the only trouble is I will win it every year!!!

Regards
Neil the welshman

[tvrgit]

It's the angle of the photo I think.

Look at your 2 photos: on the first (offside) the front of the car is to the right, so the top joint is offset to the rear. Second photo is the same, but reversed, top joint is again to the rear.

In Clarenceboddinger's photo, the rear of the car is upwards and again the joint is offset in that direction.

In Gerald-TVR's photo, the front of the car is to the left and the top joint is offset to the rear.

Barkychoc's photo is at a slight angle, but shows clearly that if you were to put the wishbones the wrong way, it would pull the top joint well forwards, and you can't do that - you need to have caster so that a line drawn between the two ball joints intersects the road in front of the centre of the wheel. It has to, there is no doubt about it, or you have no steering stability.

ETA Typed while you were making your second post, glad you're happy!

Edited by tvrgit on Saturday 9th January 18:45

[mep12345]

beasleyneil said:

Neil the welshman

Explains it all

ETA:standing by to receive the backlash of Welsh Dragons everywhere!!!!

Edited by mep12345 on Saturday 9th January 19:21

[beasleyneil]

I'm not biting!

[clarenceboddiger]

tvrgit said:

if you were to put the wishbones the wrong way, it would pull the top joint well forwards, and you can't do that - you need to have caster so that a line drawn between the two ball joints intersects the road in front of the centre of the wheel. It has to, there is no doubt about it, or you have no steering stability.

Another way to explain this is to look at the Angle of the Front Forks on Chopper style motorcycles, the rake of them is extreme this gives an almost inability to turn the handlebars (utmost straightline stability) The Americans love this as their roads are long and straight so they can drive in a relaxed manner wrt steering, that style of motorcycle does not go round tight corners easily.

[tvrgit]

clarenceboddiger said:

tvrgit said:

if you were to put the wishbones the wrong way, it would pull the top joint well forwards, and you can't do that - you need to have caster so that a line drawn between the two ball joints intersects the road in front of the centre of the wheel. It has to, there is no doubt about it, or you have no steering stability.

Another way to explain this is to look at the Angle of the Front Forks on Chopper style motorcycles, the rake of them is extreme this gives an almost inability to turn the handlebars (utmost straightline stability) The Americans love this as their roads are long and straight so they can drive in a relaxed manner wrt steering, that style of motorcycle does not go round tight corners easily.

Precisely!

(I started to write a bit about bicycle and motorcycle forks at the end of my last post but didn't bother - I thought it was clear enough but was saving that in case anybody still didn't get it!)