Winding back the clock...
Discussion
Some years ago I went to a garage on the A5 to look at a TR4A that had been rebuilt. Having done a 4A and 3A in the past I was a bit suspicious but these guys were tip top in terms of build quality and all their cars (Mostly MG A's and TR's) looked great. Having had a good look round the 4A I was interested in I notice the mileometer reading was 16 miles, on a 1967 car. When I asked about this they said that they were permitted by the DVLA to rewind the clock to zero if they had (and presumably could prove) that the car had recieved a certain percentage of 'new' parts.
Does anyone know what this percentage is? Is this facility still available?
I've not heard of it since.
Does anyone know what this percentage is? Is this facility still available?
I've not heard of it since.
blues3 said:
Some years ago I went to a garage on the A5 to look at a TR4A that had been rebuilt. Having done a 4A and 3A in the past I was a bit suspicious but these guys were tip top in terms of build quality and all their cars (Mostly MG A's and TR's) looked great. Having had a good look round the 4A I was interested in I notice the mileometer reading was 16 miles, on a 1967 car. When I asked about this they said that they were permitted by the DVLA to rewind the clock to zero if they had (and presumably could prove) that the car had recieved a certain percentage of 'new' parts.
Does anyone know what this percentage is? Is this facility still available?
I've not heard of it since.
I recon even if you could you would have to have a 'Q' plate on the car and pass the IVA testDoes anyone know what this percentage is? Is this facility still available?
I've not heard of it since.
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I recon even if you could you would have to have a 'Q' plate on the car and pass the IVA test
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Not so Norman, all this firm's cars were on 'proper' plates.
Thinking about it this afternoon and attempting a Vulcan mind-probe I seem to recollect 75% being mentioned.
But you have to prove it; somehow.
I recon even if you could you would have to have a 'Q' plate on the car and pass the IVA test
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Not so Norman, all this firm's cars were on 'proper' plates.
Thinking about it this afternoon and attempting a Vulcan mind-probe I seem to recollect 75% being mentioned.
But you have to prove it; somehow.
I agree with Gerald - there are quite strict rules on content to maintain that the car is original and not have to be registered as a Q plate. IIRC so many of the major bits out of bulkhead engine etc should be the original. But this assumes that the DVLA is told of the history of the car! I don't recall anything about mileage - until relatively recently the DVLA did not track this anyway. As long as the dealer points out that the clock has been zero'ed then I suppose that there is not an issue with trades descriptions. In my opinion it is likely to devalue a car rather than enhance its' value. I do remember some car dealers in the late 1960s (quite big groups rather than small 'bombsites') who used to zero the mileometers on their second hand motors as a matter of course.....
rofl: I'd love to do the interview
I'm no traffic expert but that seems ridiculous to me (of course I could be wrong).
You can replace an odo but you would have to tell any prosepctive buyer; to fail would be an offence against s2 or 3 Fraud Act 2006 as it would either be a false representation (a lie) or a failure to tell the buyer something that it is reasonably expected they should know.
I'm no traffic expert but that seems ridiculous to me (of course I could be wrong).
You can replace an odo but you would have to tell any prosepctive buyer; to fail would be an offence against s2 or 3 Fraud Act 2006 as it would either be a false representation (a lie) or a failure to tell the buyer something that it is reasonably expected they should know.
As I guess the point is to enhance the value, it would hardly matter with a classic car would it ?
Assuming it has been nicely (thus fairly expensively restored) unless it only has a ridiculous low reading, the increase in value would be fairly low in exchange for either having to state it has no documentary history (thereby itself reducing the value) or forging a life for it.
In a stratospheric mileage 3 year old rep-mobile it might be easier and get a better return
But then those ex-lease cars have always been maintained to manufacturers spec with factory parts so are normally pretty good.
The ease of non-electronic gauges to be spun in the classic electric drill rig would have made it easier before the 90's.
My V8S has got 116,000 miles on the clock, but it is called "Triggers broom" by a couple of my colleagues as it has had significant work (60% of chassis replaced most recently). The work is all documented and (hopefully) only helps to maintain its value. Its probably worth what, 8 grand if I'm lucky, but you see much lower mileage vehicles needing some work or in need of at least some TLC for sale for 5 or 6.
Assuming it has been nicely (thus fairly expensively restored) unless it only has a ridiculous low reading, the increase in value would be fairly low in exchange for either having to state it has no documentary history (thereby itself reducing the value) or forging a life for it.
In a stratospheric mileage 3 year old rep-mobile it might be easier and get a better return
But then those ex-lease cars have always been maintained to manufacturers spec with factory parts so are normally pretty good. The ease of non-electronic gauges to be spun in the classic electric drill rig would have made it easier before the 90's.
My V8S has got 116,000 miles on the clock, but it is called "Triggers broom" by a couple of my colleagues as it has had significant work (60% of chassis replaced most recently). The work is all documented and (hopefully) only helps to maintain its value. Its probably worth what, 8 grand if I'm lucky, but you see much lower mileage vehicles needing some work or in need of at least some TLC for sale for 5 or 6.
tubbystu said:
My V8S has got 116,000 miles on the clock, but it is called "Triggers broom" by a couple of my colleagues
Classic ! my car is still orignal, its only had two engines, a new chassis, new wheels shockers, poly-bushes and indicator lens, a replacement hood, wipac lights, sports exhaust three windscreens two bonnets and a full interior refurb,thats great !
K
We completely rebuilt one of our Taimars that was coverted when new to a 302 V8 by the Canadian importer (John Wadman in Toronto Canada.) The speedo was also rebuilt and set back to zero but we got a letter from the rebuilder stating that there were 43,000 miles registered on the rebuilt speedo and our Canadian DMV was notified and accepted this information. By doing it this way we have been told that we can't be charged with altering (rolling back) a speedo to defraud a potential future purchaser. As if my daughter would think of doing that after she gets me settled in the pine box. We believe zeroing a speedo is a very fine line and a person has to be very careful. Our other V8 Taimar has undergone major upgrades and the speedo was left alone.
Edited by V8TVR1978 on Friday 3rd December 07:43
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