M1 - J25 to 28
Discussion
A friend showed me this:
The M1 through Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire is to get permanent speed cameras to enforce variable limits.
Temporary cameras installed for widening road works between junctions 25 and 28 have proved so effective they will stay, it has been confirmed.
Once the work finishes the stretch will become a "managed motorway" with speed limits changing to suit conditions.
Police said matrix boards would display the chosen limit and these would be enforced by the cameras.
Completion date
Ch Insp Andy Charlton, of Nottinghamshire police, said: "When the project finishes, that stretch of motorway will become a managed stretch of motorway where the cameras will be used to enforce variable speed limits.
"While they are there temporarily at the moment as a time distance section, in the future when the M1 [widening] is finished there will be variable speed limits, up on the matrix boards, and they will have camera support".
Between May 2008 to October 2009, 5,084 vehicles were recorded as breaking the 50 mph limit, on a stretch used by about 131,000 vehicles daily.
Work began to widen the 14-mile stretch of the motorway in November 2008 and the project is due to finish this autumn - but the highways agency has said it could now be earlier.
The M1 through Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire is to get permanent speed cameras to enforce variable limits.
Temporary cameras installed for widening road works between junctions 25 and 28 have proved so effective they will stay, it has been confirmed.
Once the work finishes the stretch will become a "managed motorway" with speed limits changing to suit conditions.
Police said matrix boards would display the chosen limit and these would be enforced by the cameras.
Completion date
Ch Insp Andy Charlton, of Nottinghamshire police, said: "When the project finishes, that stretch of motorway will become a managed stretch of motorway where the cameras will be used to enforce variable speed limits.
"While they are there temporarily at the moment as a time distance section, in the future when the M1 [widening] is finished there will be variable speed limits, up on the matrix boards, and they will have camera support".
Between May 2008 to October 2009, 5,084 vehicles were recorded as breaking the 50 mph limit, on a stretch used by about 131,000 vehicles daily.
Work began to widen the 14-mile stretch of the motorway in November 2008 and the project is due to finish this autumn - but the highways agency has said it could now be earlier.
I suspect they'll be the same as the M42 J3a-6, Heathrow box, M6 J4-5, and M1 J6a-10 - variable limits 'switched on' when traffic is heavier, when they forget to switch them off, or when they just decide it'll be fun. In all of the above, the cameras are inactive when the variable limit display is blank.
Of course, they're now widening M1 J10-13, so that stretch too will get these cameras. And unless we can kick these fascists out of Whitehall and New Scotland Yard (because lets be honest it's not just Labour politicians who're pushing this agenda), then they're going to extend across most of our M-way network...
Of course, they're now widening M1 J10-13, so that stretch too will get these cameras. And unless we can kick these fascists out of Whitehall and New Scotland Yard (because lets be honest it's not just Labour politicians who're pushing this agenda), then they're going to extend across most of our M-way network...
Re the figures,
that makes 20,043,000 cars travelling on that stretch of motorway, which, when divided by the number caught over the limit of 5084 is a miniscule amount. More people get caught in towns and cities.
Lets face it, speed isn't a killer, it's the sudden stop that does the harm.
A bit unfair to blame the police per se, as despite what people think, every Chief Constable is answerable to the Government (ultimately), then local authorities / Police authorities.
Having said that, and without wishing to be a 'conspiracy theorist' it does make one wonder if the variable speed limits will be used for accident prevention or traffic management, or wether it will be used to obtain revenue.....
that makes 20,043,000 cars travelling on that stretch of motorway, which, when divided by the number caught over the limit of 5084 is a miniscule amount. More people get caught in towns and cities.
Lets face it, speed isn't a killer, it's the sudden stop that does the harm.
A bit unfair to blame the police per se, as despite what people think, every Chief Constable is answerable to the Government (ultimately), then local authorities / Police authorities.
Having said that, and without wishing to be a 'conspiracy theorist' it does make one wonder if the variable speed limits will be used for accident prevention or traffic management, or wether it will be used to obtain revenue.....
J29SSC said:
A bit unfair to blame the police per se, as despite what people think, every Chief Constable is answerable to the Government (ultimately), then local authorities / Police authorities.
Having said that, and without wishing to be a 'conspiracy theorist' it does make one wonder if the variable speed limits will be used for accident prevention or traffic management, or wether it will be used to obtain revenue.....
1) CC's have become too politicised (as you imply). The role should be an honest one, not a political position. As such, I feel quite happy blaming them, as IMHO they're betraying their duty-of-care*!Having said that, and without wishing to be a 'conspiracy theorist' it does make one wonder if the variable speed limits will be used for accident prevention or traffic management, or wether it will be used to obtain revenue.....
2) Cynical, but probably accurate. I'd lean as much towards the suggestion that they want to make travel as unpleasant as possible, and thus reduce the mobility of the population - that objective is about #4 or 5 on the socialist-fascist rule-book!
* Sadly I expect the same from politicians, who quite clearly no longer have any interest in the electorate except as a source of income...
Utterly ruined a great bit of road 
Oh and to be honest if the surface they have laid is the final one, you would not want to go much above 70 anyway. Truly, truly shocking. The Mini bounces about all over the place. Not because of tramlines but the unevenly laid surface throwing the car about.
Trace
Oh and to be honest if the surface they have laid is the final one, you would not want to go much above 70 anyway. Truly, truly shocking. The Mini bounces about all over the place. Not because of tramlines but the unevenly laid surface throwing the car about.
Trace
Edited by Ace-T on Thursday 7th January 23:30
Wouldn't be so bad having permanent SPECS, as long as the limit was raised to 80mph.
Like Nottm. ring road, 40 mph with SPECS and most people do 40 mph with no bunching up - I remember how crap it was before the SPECS were installed.
But, as someone else said, how long before these cameras are rolled out to cover ALL motorways....?
Like Nottm. ring road, 40 mph with SPECS and most people do 40 mph with no bunching up - I remember how crap it was before the SPECS were installed.
But, as someone else said, how long before these cameras are rolled out to cover ALL motorways....?
V8LM said:
I don't think it's final. At least I certainly hope not. Going north in the outside lane is particularly dangerous as there are a couple of places where two different surfaces meet causing a ridge that pull you towards the barrier!
Going south there's a section just after J26 before Trowell where you need to perform a quick left hand down at 50, god knows what thats going to be like at 70. Looks like 2 gangs met up there, but one was using inches, the other was on metres and they found a bridge in the way
andy-xr said:
V8LM said:
I don't think it's final. At least I certainly hope not. Going north in the outside lane is particularly dangerous as there are a couple of places where two different surfaces meet causing a ridge that pull you towards the barrier!
Going south there's a section just after J26 before Trowell where you need to perform a quick left hand down at 50, god knows what thats going to be like at 70. Looks like 2 gangs met up there, but one was using inches, the other was on metres and they found a bridge in the way
Hopefully they will follow the central reservation rather than the verge.Trace
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