Is Manchester really in the North?
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Why does this Andy Burnham bloke keep banging on about Manchester being 'North'?
On an England level, its just 10 miles from being halfway between Berwick upon Tweed and Southampton. On a UK level, the same UK he wants to be PM of, Manchester is closer to about half of France than it is to Muckle Flugga in Shetland. Where does he get this 'north' from? And on an England level, where does that put Carlisle, Newcastle, Berwick and umpteen other places that are much further north than Manchester?
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On an England level, its just 10 miles from being halfway between Berwick upon Tweed and Southampton. On a UK level, the same UK he wants to be PM of, Manchester is closer to about half of France than it is to Muckle Flugga in Shetland. Where does he get this 'north' from? And on an England level, where does that put Carlisle, Newcastle, Berwick and umpteen other places that are much further north than Manchester?
Would have posted in the News, Politics and Economics thread, but it appears that 20 years of being on here is not enough to warrant access. In fact, I am not even a 1/3 of the way there. Should be able to get access in about 2067 when I will be 99. Strange forum rule.....
Crewe is the cut off. Anything north of there is pretty much northern England. The North is effectively Northern England. Scotland is Scotland, Northern Ireland is Northern Ireland. Both of which are very northern geographically and both of which have devolved governments, so not really relevant to a discussion about the North of England
Though is it relevant, Scotland etc aside, if Manchester is within 10 miles of being as close to Southampton as it is Berwick upon Tweed? OK, there are more southern places than Southampton, yet not a lot further north than Berwick upon Tweed, I'll grant you. Manchester also manages to be just 71 miles from the Wikipedia defined "Geographical Centre of England", but yet, 158 miles from Berwick upon Tweed, near the Northern border.
Half of America seems to be called the Mid West. Should Manchester be in the Mid North(ish)?
Half of America seems to be called the Mid West. Should Manchester be in the Mid North(ish)?
Windy Miller said:
Though is it relevant, Scotland etc aside, if Manchester is within 10 miles of being as close to Southampton as it is Berwick upon Tweed? OK, there are more southern places than Southampton, yet not a lot further north than Berwick upon Tweed, I'll grant you. Manchester also manages to be just 71 miles from the Wikipedia defined "Geographical Centre of England", but yet, 158 miles from Berwick upon Tweed, near the Northern border.
Half of America seems to be called the Mid West. Should Manchester be in the Mid North(ish)?
And again. Scotland and Northern Ireland already have developed governments with a lot of powers. What else do they need? Half of America seems to be called the Mid West. Should Manchester be in the Mid North(ish)?
Is Burnham saying only Manchester? Or are people jumping on that as it’s where he is suggesting putting the HQ. He’s talking about devolving powers to all UK regions. However, no matter where it’s centred, if there is a “Northern No.10” then it’s going to be a damn sight nearer than Westminster for all of the northern cities and towns.
Opapayer said:
And again. Scotland and Northern Ireland already have developed governments with a lot of powers. What else do they need?
In Scotland at least, shutting down. "The wee pretendy parliament", a moniker coined by Billy Connolly, mainly seems to exist to provide duplication, and they generally manage to do the Scottish version of what they are trying to do worse than the UK version.If Andy Burnham is to think he is the PM of the UK, and not just the PM of England, then he really needs to take some geography lessons. According to Wikipedia, the centre of the UK is somewhere in Morecambe Bay, some 50 miles north of Manchester. One thing for sure, Westminster is in the South East. South east of the UK, south east of England, and its both south, and east of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (which is another misnomer as the most northern part of the Emerald Isle is in 'the south"
Conclusion: Andy Burnham is today in "No 10, slightly south of the midlands", where 'midlands' is the middle of the kingdom he is 'leading'
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