Average speed cams north of FRB.

[Tunku]

Average speed cameras are up on the north side of the Forth road bridge, with a 40 mph limit. Loads of people still tanking through. Lets hope they are not active !

[paul450]

they are not active yet , still putting more up

its ok but, they will only be there for 42 weeks

[breakdown]

paul450 said:

they are not active yet , still putting more up

its ok but, they will only be there for 42 weeks

you gonna test them?????

[Davie]

Does anybody know why they are in place? Hopefully to resolve the water that runs across the northbound carriageway just past the Rosyth slip and similary, the huge river that runs down the outside southbound lane between Halbeath and Rosyth. Both of which are lethal in the wet. Still, some alternative route planning required at peak times I think.

[sherman]

Its to do with the start of construction on the new bridge
More information here (5th item down)
http://trafficscotland.org/news/

[Clever Username]

Oh FFS, it's going to be the trams all over again. 42 weeks my arse, they'll be there when my 17 month old daughter learns how to drive.

[Davie]

sherman said:

Its to do with the start of construction on the new bridge
More information here (5th item down)
http://trafficscotland.org/news/

Thanks! Though not very descriptive in terms of what we can expect to see...

"From Friday 23 September the first of a number of traffic management measures will be installed on the M90 / A90, A92,and A823(M ) in Fife as work gets underway on the Fife ITS contract as part of the Forth Replacement Crossing (FRC). These works are necessary for the installation of the Intelligent Transport System equipment that will be a vital part of the wider FRC scheme."


Not entirely sure what the "Intelligent Transport System equipment" is. Anybody?

[Davie]

Just found these, quite interesting if these are the final plans. I originally thought the new bridge was going to link with the existing M90 (north) just before the the main Rosyth junction, ie it'd be hitting land between the sewerage works and the Dockyard? also, would I be right in saying, judging by the first map... heading northbound on the old bridge, it won't be a straight continuation onto the M90 anymore and instead you'll exit, going round the roundabout and rejoin the original A/M90 north at Castlland Hill?

http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/files/document...

http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/files/document...

And on the south, I was lead to believe there was going to be a new M9/M8 link whereas it seems they are again extending existing carriageways.

Going by the first map, it would appear the new crossing is going to be the main one? It certainly appears to have the high speed links... ie, a straight continuation from the existing northern and southern carriageways?

Learn something new everyday!

Edited by Davie on Friday 30th September 13:34

Edited by Davie on Friday 30th September 13:34

[JM]

Davie said:

Going by the first map, it would appear the new crossing is going to be the main one? It certainly appears to have the high speed links... ie, a straight continuation from the existing northern and southern carriageways?

I heard the 'old' bridge is just going to be used for buses (maybe taxi's too) and bikes and pedestrians.

I don't think they are even going to make the new bridge any wider, i.e it will still just be two lanes in each direction, so it won't end the pinch points at the junctions either side. If this is the case it isn't going to make any noticable difference to traffic flows at peak times.

Surely it should either be three lanes in each direction on the bridge, (if they are keeping it two lanes on the approach roads and keeping the junctions either side,) so at least there is a bit of space for the merging traffic, or else they should not have junctions near the bridge and just use the old bridge for local traffic.

[sherman]

JM said:

I heard the 'old' bridge is just going to be used for buses (maybe taxi's too) and bikes and pedestrians.

I don't think they are even going to make the new bridge any wider, i.e it will still just be two lanes in each direction, so it won't end the pinch points at the junctions either side. If this is the case it isn't going to make any noticable difference to traffic flows at peak times.

Surely it should either be three lanes in each direction on the bridge, (if they are keeping it two lanes on the approach roads and keeping the junctions either side,) so at least there is a bit of space for the merging traffic, or else they should not have junctions near the bridge and just use the old bridge for local traffic.

Its going to be dual carriage ways with hard shoulders.
http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/projects/trunk...

[JM]

sherman said:

Its going to be dual carriage ways with hard shoulders.
http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/projects/trunk...

So no real improvement then.

What a surprise, well not really.

[Wardy76]

Clever Username said:

Oh FFS, it's going to be the trams all over again. 42 weeks my arse, they'll be there when my 17 month old daughter learns how to drive.

I feel your pain, sir.

[Wardy76]

Davie said:

Thanks! Though not very descriptive in terms of what we can expect to see...

"From Friday 23 September the first of a number of traffic management measures will be installed on the M90 / A90, A92,and A823(M ) in Fife as work gets underway on the Fife ITS contract as part of the Forth Replacement Crossing (FRC). These works are necessary for the installation of the Intelligent Transport System equipment that will be a vital part of the wider FRC scheme."


Not entirely sure what the "Intelligent Transport System equipment" is. Anybody?

Are these those daft illuminated signs that say things like 'Caution whilst Driving' or (my personal favourite) 'Tell passengers to belt up'..?

[Davie]

JM said:

I heard the 'old' bridge is just going to be used for buses (maybe taxi's too) and bikes and pedestrians.

I don't think they are even going to make the new bridge any wider, i.e it will still just be two lanes in each direction, so it won't end the pinch points at the junctions either side. If this is the case it isn't going to make any noticable difference to traffic flows at peak times.

Surely it should either be three lanes in each direction on the bridge, (if they are keeping it two lanes on the approach roads and keeping the junctions either side,) so at least there is a bit of space for the merging traffic, or else they should not have junctions near the bridge and just use the old bridge for local traffic.

If this is true then frankly, it doesn't really strike me as a solution to the problem. Plus, how many buses, bikes, walkers and taxis do they actually expect to be crossing the Forth next year? Enough to warrant a dedicated bridge? I thought it was going to be like the Kincardine Bridge and its new counterpart... ie, both still used but in effect sharing the job and thus easing traffic flow. For instance in the case of the FRC, the old bridge prehaps servicing traffic flow to/from the eastern side and then new bridge, traffic flow from the western side.

In the case of the big flashy signs, I particulary like "Have you checked your fuel?" It's almost as if they have nothing else to contribute. I eagerly await "Checked your trousers are zipped up?" or "I wonder what's for dinner?"

[Davie]

Without wanting to sound like I'm speaking to myself, but I was on the A90 north today. The 40mph limit extends from the bridge all the way up the M90 and also up and over and onto the A92... where it finally ends at the Crossgates slip road onto the A92 Regional Road. That seems like a very very long way! I also was told there are numerous unhappy residents in Rosyth as a line of old trees that sheilded the housing from the motorway had been cut down in order to errect new signage and yet now, said signage isn't going ahead.

Definately a road to avoid at peak times from now on I think!

[munroman]

Davie said:

If this is true then frankly, it doesn't really strike me as a solution to the problem. Plus, how many buses, bikes, walkers and taxis do they actually expect to be crossing the Forth next year? Enough to warrant a dedicated bridge? I thought it was going to be like the Kincardine Bridge and its new counterpart... ie, both still used but in effect sharing the job and thus easing traffic flow. For instance in the case of the FRC, the old bridge prehaps servicing traffic flow to/from the eastern side and then new bridge, traffic flow from the western side.

In the case of the big flashy signs, I particulary like "Have you checked your fuel?" It's almost as if they have nothing else to contribute. I eagerly await "Checked your trousers are zipped up?" or "I wonder what's for dinner?"

My 'stupidest overhead message ever' award goes to the one east of Glasgow Airport on the M8 which said 'For Euro96 Birmingham, follow M74/M6' - I wonder how many million motorists were saved going off route by that one.......

[ferobert]

i saw one once that read

MERRY CHRISTMAS
;N \
DRINK AND DRIVE

[JM]

Davie said:

If this is true then frankly, it doesn't really strike me as a solution to the problem. Plus, how many buses, bikes, walkers and taxis do they actually expect to be crossing the Forth next year? Enough to warrant a dedicated bridge? I thought it was going to be like the Kincardine Bridge and its new counterpart... ie, both still used but in effect sharing the job and thus easing traffic flow. For instance in the case of the FRC, the old bridge prehaps servicing traffic flow to/from the eastern side and then new bridge, traffic flow from the western side.

My solution would be no junctions for the new bridge between A92/Dulloch Park junction and M9/Newbridge area.
So all local traffic going from South to North QF/Rosyth etc would use the old bridge.

[Davie]

JM said:

My solution would be no junctions for the new bridge between A92/Dulloch Park junction and M9/Newbridge area.
So all local traffic going from South to North QF/Rosyth etc would use the old bridge.

That was my thoughts too, granted one bridge for northbound and one for southbound could be a logistical nightmare but I originally thought the new bridge was going to hit land to the west of South Queensferry then swing off west and perhaps link to the M9 and thus... traffic from the west would us the westerly bridge and traffic from the eastern side, would use the existing bridge. Granted, on the northern shore there's limited space to allow it to meet the M90 however I assumed it'd be a clear run on to either bridge (southbound) ie... "I'm going to Edinburgh, that'll be the old bridge" or "I'm going to Glasgow, that'll be the new bridge"

Though the clue's in the title "Forth Replacement Crossing" and not "Forth Alternative Crossing"

[paul450]

they could be active now as the speed camera warnings are up