Single yellow line - Fine but no sign
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I unfortunately got a parking ticket today in Edinburgh, Stockbridge.
I paid for 2 hours by the machine and displayed the ticket in the passenger window (facing the pavement) we went into the bar to get some food sat down and quickly noticed the traffic warden putting a ticket under my windscreen wiper, I quickly ran out and asked what he was doing. He was fairly blunt and said that this isn't parking for pay and display. I said that it's not clear as there is 2 signs pointing out 'Pay and Display' then he just said its the highway code. I asked how much the fine was and he said £60 (although it says £30 on the ticket)
This brings me onto the below I genuinely paid thinking I was legally parked. Where I parked there was a silver pole with no sign on it, just a pole. Round the corner and the same type of road with a single yellow has the same type of pole but has huge signs clearing showing that there is no parking allowed between the hours of etc. I have pictured this and have shown below.
I was looking for advice to see if it is worth appealing due to the above. Also I could see the car from where I was sitting and no way did he wait 6 minutes before giving me the ticket as the minute I seen him looking at my car I was out there, so he didn’t wait just gave me the ticket. Bit miffed as I genuinely didn’t mean it, the guy was rude and sick of the council seeking money anyway possible.
The sign on the other side of the road....
I paid for 2 hours by the machine and displayed the ticket in the passenger window (facing the pavement) we went into the bar to get some food sat down and quickly noticed the traffic warden putting a ticket under my windscreen wiper, I quickly ran out and asked what he was doing. He was fairly blunt and said that this isn't parking for pay and display. I said that it's not clear as there is 2 signs pointing out 'Pay and Display' then he just said its the highway code. I asked how much the fine was and he said £60 (although it says £30 on the ticket)
This brings me onto the below I genuinely paid thinking I was legally parked. Where I parked there was a silver pole with no sign on it, just a pole. Round the corner and the same type of road with a single yellow has the same type of pole but has huge signs clearing showing that there is no parking allowed between the hours of etc. I have pictured this and have shown below.
I was looking for advice to see if it is worth appealing due to the above. Also I could see the car from where I was sitting and no way did he wait 6 minutes before giving me the ticket as the minute I seen him looking at my car I was out there, so he didn’t wait just gave me the ticket. Bit miffed as I genuinely didn’t mean it, the guy was rude and sick of the council seeking money anyway possible.
The sign on the other side of the road....
Put in your appeal and send pics and explanation. Worse that can happen is they remove discount.
Problem now is they issue summary warrant for these if dont pay as they do not prosecute any longer
A single yellow means restricted parking but usually the sign is needed to explain when it applies
Problem now is they issue summary warrant for these if dont pay as they do not prosecute any longer
A single yellow means restricted parking but usually the sign is needed to explain when it applies
paulqv said:
Put in your appeal and send pics and explanation. Worse that can happen is they remove discount.
Problem now is they issue summary warrant for these if dont pay as they do not prosecute any longer
A single yellow means restricted parking but usually the sign is needed to explain when it applies
Had a bother finding a useful space in Edinburgh city centre last week for a gig. They have single yellows everywhere, but seem to have very little clear signposting as to the restrictions. Being after 6 we managed to find an out of hours pay and display spot thankfully.Problem now is they issue summary warrant for these if dont pay as they do not prosecute any longer
A single yellow means restricted parking but usually the sign is needed to explain when it applies
I'm not much of a fan of city driving in Edinburgh!
I think that is worth contesting if there is no sign on the pole. I had a similar situation a few years back when I parked in Edinburgh and couldnt see any signs relating to parking times. Came back to the car to find a ticket, and then after searching I found a sign on the wall hidden behind a hanging basket.... I complained to the council in an email with photos of the hanging basket hiding the sign, cheekily asking if they hid the sign on purpose to get more fines, and much to my amazement they agreed and cancelled the ticket!
Appeal.
I've managed to avoid tickets for a few years now but know of friends who have successfully appealed tickets - some which were pretty ropey excuses IMO.
Front page of the Evening News today suggests 1 in 6 tickets are erroneously issued and 50% of appeals succeed. Thems is good odds
I've managed to avoid tickets for a few years now but know of friends who have successfully appealed tickets - some which were pretty ropey excuses IMO.
Front page of the Evening News today suggests 1 in 6 tickets are erroneously issued and 50% of appeals succeed. Thems is good odds
Did you park on the single yellow line but pay for a "pay and display" ticket ?
What time/day did you park at ?
If you did park on the single yellow between the times on the sign (6am-8pm mon-sat) I think it's pretty self explanatory that you were wrong to do so (even though you bought a ticket)
The only debate here is if the sign with the time was clearly displayed. The 1st picture you post has a grey pole at the start of the yellow line, what was on that ??
What time/day did you park at ?
If you did park on the single yellow between the times on the sign (6am-8pm mon-sat) I think it's pretty self explanatory that you were wrong to do so (even though you bought a ticket)
The only debate here is if the sign with the time was clearly displayed. The 1st picture you post has a grey pole at the start of the yellow line, what was on that ??
Edited by CSK423 on Tuesday 28th August 13:00
CSK423 said:
The 1st picture you post has a grey pole at the start of the yellow line, what was on that ??
The pole in the middle of the picture is an old bus stop - you can see the same kind of pole in this old photograph. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cagiva1994/6351052637...Google Street View shows that 4 years ago there were was a large parking sign on the pole you ask about. http://goo.gl/maps/SJYWZ It explains when you can Pay and Display in the neighbouring behind the camera but prohibits parking on the single yellow line in front of the barbers before 6:30pm, and no loading during the rush hour periods either.
You can't use a P&D ticket to park on a yellow line but you could park on a yellow line after the restriction hours (i.e in the evening) but there wouldn't be any traffic wardens about at that time.
Simple rule of thumb is a single line roughly means no parking for the working day, double lines are longer than the working day and broken yellow line is shorter than the working day.
The big "however" is always check the times on the adjacent signs.
That's the the point here. There seems to be no times visible on a sign.
The big "however" is always check the times on the adjacent signs.
That's the the point here. There seems to be no times visible on a sign.
CSK423 said:
Did you park on the single yellow line but pay for a "pay and display" ticket ?
What time/day did you park at ?
If you did park on the single yellow between the times on the sign (6am-8pm mon-sat) I think it's pretty self explanatory that you were wrong to do so (even though you bought a ticket)
The only debate here is if the sign with the time was clearly displayed. The 1st picture you post has a grey pole at the start of the yellow line, what was on that ??
On the pole you ask this was showing the 'Pay and Display'What time/day did you park at ?
If you did park on the single yellow between the times on the sign (6am-8pm mon-sat) I think it's pretty self explanatory that you were wrong to do so (even though you bought a ticket)
The only debate here is if the sign with the time was clearly displayed. The 1st picture you post has a grey pole at the start of the yellow line, what was on that ??
Edited by CSK423 on Tuesday 28th August 13:00
Intresting what someone has pointed out on google street view this is not here anymore.
messcotti said:
I would think that you might get off on a Technicality. Same is if there are broken lines or the are not complete etc...worth a try, anyway.
Not an expert,but I'd have a look at the road signs manual. Think that for parking to be enforced, line has to be of constant width,not broken and terminated correctly . Otherwise the Traffic order is not valid. Worth a look at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/conte...Hollowpockets said:
Every pole doesn't need to display a sign, In the kindest way possible, it's pretty obvious where you should and shouldn't park, the spaces marked are a giveaway. It's only £30, too much stress and hassle contesting it surely, pay it and move on IMO.
I thought you could park on a single yellow. I have learnt not to during the week and at certain times. But I feel there should be a sign on that side of the road and I would rather have £30 than the council getting it.ninja-lewis said:
The pole in the middle of the picture is an old bus stop - you can see the same kind of pole in this old photograph. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cagiva1994/6351052637...
Google Street View shows that 4 years ago there were was a large parking sign on the pole you ask about. http://goo.gl/maps/SJYWZ It explains when you can Pay and Display in the neighbouring behind the camera but prohibits parking on the single yellow line in front of the barbers before 6:30pm, and no loading during the rush hour periods either.
You can't use a P&D ticket to park on a yellow line but you could park on a yellow line after the restriction hours (i.e in the evening) but there wouldn't be any traffic wardens about at that time.
Wrong pole but the OP has answered my Q further down anyway.Google Street View shows that 4 years ago there were was a large parking sign on the pole you ask about. http://goo.gl/maps/SJYWZ It explains when you can Pay and Display in the neighbouring behind the camera but prohibits parking on the single yellow line in front of the barbers before 6:30pm, and no loading during the rush hour periods either.
You can't use a P&D ticket to park on a yellow line but you could park on a yellow line after the restriction hours (i.e in the evening) but there wouldn't be any traffic wardens about at that time.
I'm about 99% sure that 'Pay and Display' in Edinburgh only applies to parking within the white marked spaces and you always need to be sure that they're not Permit Holders Only' and more confusingly some are Permit Holders between certain times and P&D during the day! If you parked on the yellow line and paid then unfortunately I suspect the warden is correct.
It's probably worth contesting anyway as you've got nothing to lose!
It's probably worth contesting anyway as you've got nothing to lose!
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