Edinburgh - 20mph Limit
Discussion
can we just take that muppet out and flog him publicly?
Thats George Street plan cost £1.5m to put in place and they then had to shut it down.
HOW does he still have a job?
20mph - no probs for accident blackspots, schools, hospitals etc
They have removed all the sodding roundabouts as the EU think they are too dangerous!!!!!!!
FFS - and we are paying for this.........
Thats George Street plan cost £1.5m to put in place and they then had to shut it down.
HOW does he still have a job?
20mph - no probs for accident blackspots, schools, hospitals etc
They have removed all the sodding roundabouts as the EU think they are too dangerous!!!!!!!
FFS - and we are paying for this.........
Edited by GordonF430 on Friday 3rd September 18:06
said:
Gordon Mackenzie, Edinburgh City Council's transport leader, said a £100,000 pilot scheme to cut drivers' speed in the city, would be a success.
He said: "I read in a trade journal about it being implemented in Portsmouth and how there was a 15% reduction in accidents resulting in injuries, so I discussed it with officers and I said I would like to do it in Edinburgh."
Sounds like a well thought out and researched argument! He said: "I read in a trade journal about it being implemented in Portsmouth and how there was a 15% reduction in accidents resulting in injuries, so I discussed it with officers and I said I would like to do it in Edinburgh."
Begg - non driver i believe - so using his logic of slower is safer lets just ban cars totally from Edinburgh and make is safe apart from the buses taxis lorries vans & possibly Trams.....hmm however would business survive
Man is a total waste of space 20mph in right place at the right time no argument but blanket 20mph speed limit lunacy
Man is a total waste of space 20mph in right place at the right time no argument but blanket 20mph speed limit lunacy
onlynik said:
The centre of Aberdeen is a 20 mph zone, I'm pretty sure not many people stick to it. Taxis are by far the worst offenders.
I didn't notice that till a few months ago, when Rod told me.But when you're driving along Union street, with all the traffic lights.. you can't really get up to more than 20..
I've just sent this to Gordon Mackenzie at gordon.mackenzie@edinburgh.gov.uk :
Gordon,
I’d just like to thank you and the ‘guys’ for introducing the new 20mph zones within the city. Together with the raising of resident parking charges, the introduction of unwanted trams, the utterly needless traffic lights on George St and just the general transport mayhem that ensues daily - is there any other way you can make the city of Edinburgh a laughing stock? I seriously hope not, but I’m open to ideas.
I needed to get this off my chest and like many, many residents of the city I get frustrated by this Council’s crazy notions on a daily basis.
I’m sad to be applying for another overseas transfer to get away from my beloved country, though hope to return one day, buy some land and share in the £12,000 per windmill, per year that land owners are currently receiving – for a technology that helped ruin the Spanish economy, and that Denmark is turning its back on.
The University of Juan Carlos published a report that stated Spain lost 2.2 real jobs for every green one created. Can Scotland afford the same?
Kind Regards,
JShell
Won't do any good except allow me to vent slightly.
Gordon,
I’d just like to thank you and the ‘guys’ for introducing the new 20mph zones within the city. Together with the raising of resident parking charges, the introduction of unwanted trams, the utterly needless traffic lights on George St and just the general transport mayhem that ensues daily - is there any other way you can make the city of Edinburgh a laughing stock? I seriously hope not, but I’m open to ideas.
I needed to get this off my chest and like many, many residents of the city I get frustrated by this Council’s crazy notions on a daily basis.
I’m sad to be applying for another overseas transfer to get away from my beloved country, though hope to return one day, buy some land and share in the £12,000 per windmill, per year that land owners are currently receiving – for a technology that helped ruin the Spanish economy, and that Denmark is turning its back on.
The University of Juan Carlos published a report that stated Spain lost 2.2 real jobs for every green one created. Can Scotland afford the same?
Kind Regards,
JShell
Won't do any good except allow me to vent slightly.
I live in Edinburgh city centre and drive a cayenne turbo so i am well *ucked then...
just as well i have a garage at my house and work offshore !!
I wonder is shmbo,s Z4 is a "gas guzzler" as well?
these guys have no idea, 100k up in smoke, just what we need in times like these
still it will give the bib something to do with all the spare time they have with all the cut backs.....
just as well i have a garage at my house and work offshore !!
I wonder is shmbo,s Z4 is a "gas guzzler" as well?
these guys have no idea, 100k up in smoke, just what we need in times like these
still it will give the bib something to do with all the spare time they have with all the cut backs.....This is really a despicable idea but par for the course from Edinburgh Council. Sounds like he did his homework too- not.
The bit about it being safer for cyclists is b
ks too and I'm a cyclist! (used to cycle to work nearly every day in fact).
I'm trying to think what's the best way of showing our disapproval? Everyone driving at 30mph anyway or driving at 20mph in 1st gear?
The bit about it being safer for cyclists is b
ks too and I'm a cyclist! (used to cycle to work nearly every day in fact).I'm trying to think what's the best way of showing our disapproval? Everyone driving at 30mph anyway or driving at 20mph in 1st gear?
I made a FOI request to the Council for the data behind the "40 casualties in past three years" claim. They provided a printout of the "Stats 19" returns they record when they receive a report of injury collision from the Police. Each return included location, accident type (defined in terms of pedestrian, cyclist, bus, number of vehicles), date and time, number of casaulties, weather, age of drivers, what manoeuvre they were doing at the time (reversing, going ahead, turning, parked, stopping, overtaking, etc), the direction of movement, whether there were indications of skidding, age of casaulty, severity of casaulty and what type of road user they were.
I can email a copy of the information if anyone's interested but a summary of the 40 records is:
6 took place on streets that already have 20mph limits with humps.
11 I reckon had nothing to do with speeds in excess of 20mph (one only seemed to involve a parked car and pedestrian)
19 I thought weren't clear cut but probably not attributable to >20mph (or if speed was >20mph the speed in itself did not cause the collision)
That leaves 4 serious accidents, two (including a 9yo child) of which occurred on the same short stretch of Prestonfield Avenue. Another nine year old was seriously injured riding a bicycle on Kirkhall Road. Finally a 3yo at a crossing on Melville Terrace (there was also a minor colllision at this location) although I'm somewhat doubtful a vehicle could be doing >20mph there. There is no clear indication that these incidents are attributable to speed alone. If anything the four serious incidents appear to be the result of poor road design in these specific locations. The first two appear to be near a busy bus stop on a busy through road, which may benefit from a pedestrian crossing rather than a lower speed limit. Likewise the fourth collision might've been preventable by better crossing facilities. The third collision, on Kirkhall Road, could be down to poor education or bad parking as much as speed.
Overall there is certainly no clear evidence that a 20mph limit would've prevented most, if any, of these collisions, which is perhaps why the consultation goes no further than saying "40 road casaulties in past 3 years".
One of the main arguments in favour - that 30mph roads present a barrier for walking to school - falls apart when you consider most of the streets in the Grange are quiet and that the roads that might reasonably be considered barriers such as Grange Road will be remaining as 30mph limits anyway!
I can email a copy of the information if anyone's interested but a summary of the 40 records is:
6 took place on streets that already have 20mph limits with humps.
11 I reckon had nothing to do with speeds in excess of 20mph (one only seemed to involve a parked car and pedestrian)
19 I thought weren't clear cut but probably not attributable to >20mph (or if speed was >20mph the speed in itself did not cause the collision)
That leaves 4 serious accidents, two (including a 9yo child) of which occurred on the same short stretch of Prestonfield Avenue. Another nine year old was seriously injured riding a bicycle on Kirkhall Road. Finally a 3yo at a crossing on Melville Terrace (there was also a minor colllision at this location) although I'm somewhat doubtful a vehicle could be doing >20mph there. There is no clear indication that these incidents are attributable to speed alone. If anything the four serious incidents appear to be the result of poor road design in these specific locations. The first two appear to be near a busy bus stop on a busy through road, which may benefit from a pedestrian crossing rather than a lower speed limit. Likewise the fourth collision might've been preventable by better crossing facilities. The third collision, on Kirkhall Road, could be down to poor education or bad parking as much as speed.
Overall there is certainly no clear evidence that a 20mph limit would've prevented most, if any, of these collisions, which is perhaps why the consultation goes no further than saying "40 road casaulties in past 3 years".
One of the main arguments in favour - that 30mph roads present a barrier for walking to school - falls apart when you consider most of the streets in the Grange are quiet and that the roads that might reasonably be considered barriers such as Grange Road will be remaining as 30mph limits anyway!
emicen said:
Edinburgh cracks me up. The way the inhabitants try to pass themselves off as superior and behave almost like Londoners, the tram debacle and now this 20mph limit and "gas guzzler" parking permit charges.
Couldnt pay me to live there
I can assure you that nobody living in Edinburgh, particularly me, wants the trams, 20 mph limits or excessive parking charges apart from a few vegetarians and lesbians. Couldnt pay me to live there
People in Edinburgh are superior - it is well known fact.
Nobody is going to pay you to live there; unless you are from London fitting it is rather an huge aspiration for you anyway.
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