Scottish Tax Raising
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11825229
Thank f
k it has lapsed! You just know that this shower of shyte we call politicians would have blatted 3p on the £ to pay for useless bloody windmills and carbon capture/storage or some other pet project.
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Thank f
k it has lapsed! You just know that this shower of shyte we call politicians would have blatted 3p on the £ to pay for useless bloody windmills and carbon capture/storage or some other pet project.s.
Thundering Retards! I like that.
deevlash said:
My thoughts exactly. The less power that bunch of thundering retards that call themselves the SNP have the better.
As much as I dislike the SNP's policy on 'renewable energy', who else would you rather have in power? Ian Gray's lot - please save us from that vision of Hell! The Tories - er, that'll be right - no further discussion required there! The Libs - spinlessly buckling to Cameron - NO! I firmly believe that, despite their obvious failings, the SNP still are by far the party that has Scotland's best interests at heart. Almost by definition by not wanting to pander to a Westminster administration. What we need is independence, a disbanded SNP (which would have to happen in some way or other) and a proper decision by the people of Scotland as to how our country is run and funded. It's the only way forward.Edited by ViperPict on Thursday 25th November 11:33
Edited by ViperPict on Thursday 25th November 11:36
The Tories by a long shot. Its about time folk in this country got a rocket up their lazy, self serving, whining, dole claiming arses.
I work in Glasgow, a city that you could nuke 3/4 of and not affect Scotlands GDP in anyway other than cutting the benefits bill in half.
Also, this renewable energy crap, what the hell is he on? There are no major Scottish manufacturers of windmills, theyre all foreign. Sure they build stuff here if we give them enough subsidies etc, which iirc is exactly what we did to entice all those lovely tech manufacturers a few years back, who took the nice free factories and subsidies, stayed a few years and then when the cash ran out, fked off again. Do these turds learn nothing?
The SNP are a barely coherent bunch of cretins, who, without Salmonds charisma are an unelectable joke. They're nothing but a bunch of jumped up councillors, like 99% of the Scottish "Parliament".
Unfortunately the only other option is Labour and their MSP's are the B-team who couldnt get a gig at Westminster. Cretins, the lot of them. That McConnell guy was the worst public speaker I've ever heard, I cringed when he stumbled his way through yet another speach whilst he supposedly represented Scotland. He was an embarrassment with or without a ridiculous pin stripe kilt.
Also this Malawi thing. WTF!
I work in Glasgow, a city that you could nuke 3/4 of and not affect Scotlands GDP in anyway other than cutting the benefits bill in half.
Also, this renewable energy crap, what the hell is he on? There are no major Scottish manufacturers of windmills, theyre all foreign. Sure they build stuff here if we give them enough subsidies etc, which iirc is exactly what we did to entice all those lovely tech manufacturers a few years back, who took the nice free factories and subsidies, stayed a few years and then when the cash ran out, f
ked off again. Do these turds learn nothing?The SNP are a barely coherent bunch of cretins, who, without Salmonds charisma are an unelectable joke. They're nothing but a bunch of jumped up councillors, like 99% of the Scottish "Parliament".
Unfortunately the only other option is Labour and their MSP's are the B-team who couldnt get a gig at Westminster. Cretins, the lot of them. That McConnell guy was the worst public speaker I've ever heard, I cringed when he stumbled his way through yet another speach whilst he supposedly represented Scotland. He was an embarrassment with or without a ridiculous pin stripe kilt.
Also this Malawi thing. WTF!
To be fair, the SNP said Scotland could be like any of the small north European countries, including Denmark, Finland and Norway, all of which are in a good financial state now. It annoys me the negative and defeatist attitude of many Scots - that we're not good enough to go it alone. We should believe that we have the potential to be the greatest country in the world and grab the opportunity with both hands. But if the Scottish people don't vote for that then they really don't deserve it.
ViperPict said:
We should believe that we have the potential to be the greatest country in the world and grab the opportunity with both hands.
The problem I have with that idea is that many of the people I see who shout it the loudest also seem to be the ones that disprove it.Not directed at you personally, just in general.
We could be the greatest small country in the world. We would need to get rid of a hell of a lot of the indigenous lazy wkers that infest the place first though.
How would we fund the ridiculous amount of people relying on state employment if we had independence? Raise taxes? No thanks. Oil? Maybe 30 years ago. How would we pay of our share of the UK debt?
Even the SNP know independence is a bad idea and they've scrapped their referendum.
kers that infest the place first though. How would we fund the ridiculous amount of people relying on state employment if we had independence? Raise taxes? No thanks. Oil? Maybe 30 years ago. How would we pay of our share of the UK debt?
Even the SNP know independence is a bad idea and they've scrapped their referendum.
deevlash said:
We could be the greatest small country in the world. We would need to get rid of a hell of a lot of the indigenous lazy wkers that infest the place first though.
How would we fund the ridiculous amount of people relying on state employment if we had independence? Raise taxes? No thanks. Oil? Maybe 30 years ago. How would we pay of our share of the UK debt?
Even the SNP know independence is a bad idea and they've scrapped their referendum.
The beauty of a new country is a new constitution - we can do whatever we want to achieve the goals we want. The spongers in our society are not genetically that way inclined. Radically changing the social structure of the country and letting people feel they have something to give to their country would be a crucial starting point. Making them realise they get out proportional to want they put in. At the moment you can be financially better off claiming benefit than knocking your pan in for the greater good - not right at all.kers that infest the place first though. How would we fund the ridiculous amount of people relying on state employment if we had independence? Raise taxes? No thanks. Oil? Maybe 30 years ago. How would we pay of our share of the UK debt?
Even the SNP know independence is a bad idea and they've scrapped their referendum.
Turkeys wont vote for Christmas. his country is overrun with scroungers who don't want to work and never will. The best option? Flat rate of tax. Nobody in this communist country will ever vote for it though due to their rampant jealousness of anyone who dares be cleverer or works harder than them.
I tend to think most Scots are genetically lazy these days. Even one of the crowning achievements of the Scottish Industrial age, The QE2 was made at a massive loss due to theft and laziness.
Independence would be a disaster on a truly Irish scale.
I tend to think most Scots are genetically lazy these days. Even one of the crowning achievements of the Scottish Industrial age, The QE2 was made at a massive loss due to theft and laziness.
Independence would be a disaster on a truly Irish scale.
deevlash said:
Turkeys wont vote for Christmas. his country is overrun with scroungers who don't want to work and never will. The best option? Flat rate of tax. Nobody in this communist country will ever vote for it though due to their rampant jealousness of anyone who dares be cleverer or works harder than them.
I tend to think most Scots are genetically lazy these days. Even one of the crowning achievements of the Scottish Industrial age, The QE2 was made at a massive loss due to theft and laziness.
Independence would be a disaster on a truly Irish scale.
See, this is the defeatism I speak of. And don't say realism. We would have the potential to do whatever we want independent. I believe that, without any specific actions, independence itself would give the country a much needed lift in moral and progress would result. And some well thought out cultural reform would improve this.I tend to think most Scots are genetically lazy these days. Even one of the crowning achievements of the Scottish Industrial age, The QE2 was made at a massive loss due to theft and laziness.
Independence would be a disaster on a truly Irish scale.
It's not defeatism, it is realism based upon having worked in areas featuring what you might call the economically disadvantaged if you were a gushing tit that allowed these people to blame their feckless laziness upon anyone but themselves.
Out of a quick random sample people (that I'm not willing to say where they work) two have drugs convictions, one cant read or write properly, one uses his child as an excuse for not doing over time, one uses his child as an excuse for not turning up on time or at all, one is an excellent worker and another works really hard but for some reason will only work 10 hours a week as anything more affects her benefits.
The hard worker is a Pole.
That pattern has been repeated with monotonous regularity throughout my time in employment.
It's all well and good assuming that a massive social change will sort things out and inspire people to work harder but none of the morons that infest Scotland with their communist thinking will go for that option. The level of state employment in Scotland in higher than in the USSR and we all know how that ended up. For Scotland to become independent in its present state with the same leadership, same work shy lower orders and the same lack of indigenous private industry on the hope that a hail mary constitution change would fix things and we'd all live in a wonderful land of milk, honey and north sea oil is noting but a fanciful load of hokum.
The only way Scotland would be successful as an independent nation is if we suddenly, as a nation, came around to the thought that working hard, really working hard, in private industry is the only way that a country is sustainable in the long term.
The private sector pays for the public one, I genuinely don't believe that the vast majority of Scots have any concept of that fact and for that reason I see no reason for being optimistic about our chances of being a successful small nation.
Out of a quick random sample people (that I'm not willing to say where they work) two have drugs convictions, one cant read or write properly, one uses his child as an excuse for not doing over time, one uses his child as an excuse for not turning up on time or at all, one is an excellent worker and another works really hard but for some reason will only work 10 hours a week as anything more affects her benefits.
The hard worker is a Pole.
That pattern has been repeated with monotonous regularity throughout my time in employment.
It's all well and good assuming that a massive social change will sort things out and inspire people to work harder but none of the morons that infest Scotland with their communist thinking will go for that option. The level of state employment in Scotland in higher than in the USSR and we all know how that ended up. For Scotland to become independent in its present state with the same leadership, same work shy lower orders and the same lack of indigenous private industry on the hope that a hail mary constitution change would fix things and we'd all live in a wonderful land of milk, honey and north sea oil is noting but a fanciful load of hokum.
The only way Scotland would be successful as an independent nation is if we suddenly, as a nation, came around to the thought that working hard, really working hard, in private industry is the only way that a country is sustainable in the long term.
The private sector pays for the public one, I genuinely don't believe that the vast majority of Scots have any concept of that fact and for that reason I see no reason for being optimistic about our chances of being a successful small nation.
Edited by deevlash on Thursday 25th November 23:36
That is ABSOLUTELY defeatism! You have no faith in your countryfolk?! Shame on you. Sure, there are (and will always be) a proportion of society that are beyond hope. This is the same in every society and, actually, in their own way, they are important to the construct of society (in the concept of society as the superorganism). But when society is in need of repair (as I believe it is through-out Scotland), there a lot of people who can be pulled out of depravity. To say that your own countryfolk are beyond help is nothing but defeatism. Anything is possible if you're willing to make big enough changes. But no-one does and it's always the same old. It is the attitude that you have that makes me sometimes think Scotland does not DESERVE the glory of independence!
ViperPict said:
That is ABSOLUTELY defeatism! You have no faith in your countryfolk?! Shame on you. Sure, there are (and will always be) a proportion of society that are beyond hope. This is the same in every society and, actually, in their own way, they are important to the construct of society (in the concept of society as the superorganism). But when society is in need of repair (as I believe it is through-out Scotland), there a lot of people who can be pulled out of depravity. To say that your own countryfolk are beyond help is nothing but defeatism. Anything is possible if you're willing to make big enough changes. But no-one does and it's always the same old. It is the attitude that you have that makes me sometimes think Scotland does not DESERVE the glory of independence!
Great post viper. It's the defeatest attitude that grates me the most when the topic of independence is brought to the fore. Why do so many Scots think we can't look after ourselves. A small nation which has made world changing contributions over the last 200 years. I'd change, if I didn't already work my ass off only to have some Green party cretin say I should be paying 3% more tax to pay for fking windmills.
I have zero faith that those in Scotland who need to change would though. Look at the protests against the "Tory cuts" and the overwhelming Labour vote in Scotland, inspite of their policy of continuing to piss money away. The whining about Maggie needs to stop, it was a hell of a long time ago, the poll tax was a good idea and Ravenscraig failed because it got outperformed in the market place.
These people have no concept of the need for money to be earned, on a personal scale and absolutely no concept or care for where a nations money comes from. Were Scotland to become independent I would fully expect people to be whining about against cuts to government expenditure, even when the Europeans arrived to bail us out and the cupboard was absolutely bare.
I fundamentally disagree that independence would be glorious. I think it is infact people such as yourself who see Scotland as subservient in the UK. We are not. We are a constituent nation and need to stop seeing ourselves as being owned by England and in need of independence.
As it stands the union is good for Scotland and it would take a sea change of attitudes from 90% of the Scottish population to convince me otherwise.
king windmills.I have zero faith that those in Scotland who need to change would though. Look at the protests against the "Tory cuts" and the overwhelming Labour vote in Scotland, inspite of their policy of continuing to piss money away. The whining about Maggie needs to stop, it was a hell of a long time ago, the poll tax was a good idea and Ravenscraig failed because it got outperformed in the market place.
These people have no concept of the need for money to be earned, on a personal scale and absolutely no concept or care for where a nations money comes from. Were Scotland to become independent I would fully expect people to be whining about against cuts to government expenditure, even when the Europeans arrived to bail us out and the cupboard was absolutely bare.
I fundamentally disagree that independence would be glorious. I think it is infact people such as yourself who see Scotland as subservient in the UK. We are not. We are a constituent nation and need to stop seeing ourselves as being owned by England and in need of independence.
As it stands the union is good for Scotland and it would take a sea change of attitudes from 90% of the Scottish population to convince me otherwise.
deevlash said:
I'd change, if I didn't already work my ass off only to have some Green party cretin say I should be paying 3% more tax to pay for fking windmills.
I have zero faith that those in Scotland who need to change would though. Look at the protests against the "Tory cuts" and the overwhelming Labour vote in Scotland, inspite of their policy of continuing to piss money away. The whining about Maggie needs to stop, it was a hell of a long time ago, the poll tax was a good idea and Ravenscraig failed because it got outperformed in the market place.
These people have no concept of the need for money to be earned, on a personal scale and absolutely no concept or care for where a nations money comes from. Were Scotland to become independent I would fully expect people to be whining about against cuts to government expenditure, even when the Europeans arrived to bail us out and the cupboard was absolutely bare.
I fundamentally disagree that independence would be glorious. I think it is infact people such as yourself who see Scotland as subservient in the UK. We are not. We are a constituent nation and need to stop seeing ourselves as being owned by England and in need of independence.
As it stands the union is good for Scotland and it would take a sea change of attitudes from 90% of the Scottish population to convince me otherwise.
Then you are a lost cause my friend and as bad as the spongers you despise.king windmills.I have zero faith that those in Scotland who need to change would though. Look at the protests against the "Tory cuts" and the overwhelming Labour vote in Scotland, inspite of their policy of continuing to piss money away. The whining about Maggie needs to stop, it was a hell of a long time ago, the poll tax was a good idea and Ravenscraig failed because it got outperformed in the market place.
These people have no concept of the need for money to be earned, on a personal scale and absolutely no concept or care for where a nations money comes from. Were Scotland to become independent I would fully expect people to be whining about against cuts to government expenditure, even when the Europeans arrived to bail us out and the cupboard was absolutely bare.
I fundamentally disagree that independence would be glorious. I think it is infact people such as yourself who see Scotland as subservient in the UK. We are not. We are a constituent nation and need to stop seeing ourselves as being owned by England and in need of independence.
As it stands the union is good for Scotland and it would take a sea change of attitudes from 90% of the Scottish population to convince me otherwise.
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