More A9 fatalities
Discussion
750turbo said:
Dreadful.
As has been said, what is needed to get this road sorted out?
They used to say that about the old M74 or A74. years ago i recall the Sunday Post running a feature about the garage at Lesmahagow on the bad corner where all the smashed cars were asking the same question.As has been said, what is needed to get this road sorted out?
That road was bad.
Same with parts of the A9. People cant overtake, allow space for overtaking, drive at low speeds and then speed up. I wish the police unmarked cars would spend a couple of months picking off those cars only and charging them with dangerous driving, or those who want you to crash head on rather than leave a gap, attempted murder. That would wake a few drivers up.
Safety camera vans! made any difference?
I will stop raning
Allowing HGVs, vans, buses, caravans etc to run at the car speed limit between Perth and Dornoch would be a good start. In saying that, you'd still get numpties (esp. tourists) doing 40 on the singles & accelerating in the duals plus the usual elephant racing on the dual parts.
Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
alangla said:
Allowing HGVs, vans, buses, caravans etc to run at the car speed limit between Perth and Dornoch would be a good start. In saying that, you'd still get numpties (esp. tourists) doing 40 on the singles & accelerating in the duals plus the usual elephant racing on the dual parts.
Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
Been debated on here before I think, but can't remember the conclusion!Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
matchmaker said:
alangla said:
Allowing HGVs, vans, buses, caravans etc to run at the car speed limit between Perth and Dornoch would be a good start. In saying that, you'd still get numpties (esp. tourists) doing 40 on the singles & accelerating in the duals plus the usual elephant racing on the dual parts.
Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
Been debated on here before I think, but can't remember the conclusion!Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...
BBC Article said:
Neil Greig of the Institute of Advanced Motorists said improvements to driving conditions would lower the risk of accidents.
'Platooning effect'
He said these included raising speed restrictions for large heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) from 40mph to reduce the risk of frustrated motorists making dangerous overtaking manoeuvres.
Mr Greig told BBC Radio Scotland: "What tends to happen on the A9 is you get this platooning effect when people get held up behind the slowest moving vehicle.
"What we need on the A9 are more overtaking opportunities and ultimately the full dual carriageway status, but that is still 10 years away.
"We would quite welcome an increased speed limit for HGVs because of this platooning effect. It could possibly be put up to 50mph. It is something that help in the short term."
Last year, Inverness lorry driver Conor McKenna launched a campaign backed by Highlands MSP David Stewart to have HGV speeds raised.
'Platooning effect'
He said these included raising speed restrictions for large heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) from 40mph to reduce the risk of frustrated motorists making dangerous overtaking manoeuvres.
Mr Greig told BBC Radio Scotland: "What tends to happen on the A9 is you get this platooning effect when people get held up behind the slowest moving vehicle.
"What we need on the A9 are more overtaking opportunities and ultimately the full dual carriageway status, but that is still 10 years away.
"We would quite welcome an increased speed limit for HGVs because of this platooning effect. It could possibly be put up to 50mph. It is something that help in the short term."
Last year, Inverness lorry driver Conor McKenna launched a campaign backed by Highlands MSP David Stewart to have HGV speeds raised.
alangla said:
Allowing HGVs, vans, buses, caravans etc to run at the car speed limit between Perth and Dornoch would be a good start. In saying that, you'd still get numpties (esp. tourists) doing 40 on the singles & accelerating in the duals plus the usual elephant racing on the dual parts.
Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
If its dualled both directions with a centre divider it will be 70. If its only a crawler lane and overtaking lane with no centre divider and a single lane in the opposite direction then it would be 60. Unless stated otherwise. Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
al
haggishunter said:
alangla said:
Allowing HGVs, vans, buses, caravans etc to run at the car speed limit between Perth and Dornoch would be a good start. In saying that, you'd still get numpties (esp. tourists) doing 40 on the singles & accelerating in the duals plus the usual elephant racing on the dual parts.
Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
If its dualled both directions with a centre divider it will be 70. If its only a crawler lane and overtaking lane with no centre divider and a single lane in the opposite direction then it would be 60. Unless stated otherwise. Incidentally - what's the actual speed limit on the dualled sections? The singles are signed as 60 with loads of repeaters rather than NSL, but the repeaters disappear on the duals - is it NSL (70) or still 60?
The conclusion seems generally to be to treat it as NSL.
Very sad news about a young family.
Sadly near head ons are a regular occurance. A mixture of a road with few overtaking opportunities, differential speed limits for the various traffic that use it and most importantly the behaviour of the drivers.
My man maths aren't too great and I know it's a speculative figure and there is future inflation to take into account but £37million per mile for duelling it.....
Sadly near head ons are a regular occurance. A mixture of a road with few overtaking opportunities, differential speed limits for the various traffic that use it and most importantly the behaviour of the drivers.
My man maths aren't too great and I know it's a speculative figure and there is future inflation to take into account but £37million per mile for duelling it.....
The A9 is not s dangerous road, it's just a road
It's people driving incorrectly on it is the problem.
No need to spend a billion pounds changing it, they really need to put more measures in place to punish stupid drivers doing stupid things. They need to put REAL penalties in place to deter the idiots driving like numties.
I drive an artic lorry up and down the A9 every day, the amount of brain dead driving I see is frightening.
It's people driving incorrectly on it is the problem.
No need to spend a billion pounds changing it, they really need to put more measures in place to punish stupid drivers doing stupid things. They need to put REAL penalties in place to deter the idiots driving like numties.
I drive an artic lorry up and down the A9 every day, the amount of brain dead driving I see is frightening.
foolishboy said:
The A9 is not s dangerous road, it's just a road
It's people driving incorrectly on it is the problem.
No need to spend a billion pounds changing it, they really need to put more measures in place to punish stupid drivers doing stupid things. They need to put REAL penalties in place to deter the idiots driving like numties.
I drive an artic lorry up and down the A9 every day, the amount of brain dead driving I see is frightening.
People driving incorrectly is a major part of the problem. However, the layout of the road doesn't help, especially the mix of single and dual carriageway sections.The policing doesn't help either, as this mainly seems to consist of placing speed traps at places where it is safe to overtake It's people driving incorrectly on it is the problem.
No need to spend a billion pounds changing it, they really need to put more measures in place to punish stupid drivers doing stupid things. They need to put REAL penalties in place to deter the idiots driving like numties.
I drive an artic lorry up and down the A9 every day, the amount of brain dead driving I see is frightening.
BTW, if anyone thinks the current A9 is bad, they should have tried driving between Perth and Inverness up the OLD A9!
foolishboy said:
The A9 is not s dangerous road, it's just a road
It's people driving incorrectly on it is the problem.
No need to spend a billion pounds changing it, they really need to put more measures in place to punish stupid drivers doing stupid things. They need to put REAL penalties in place to deter the idiots driving like numties.
I drive an artic lorry up and down the A9 every day, the amount of brain dead driving I see is frightening.
Do you pull into lay-bys to allow traffic past you? It's people driving incorrectly on it is the problem.
No need to spend a billion pounds changing it, they really need to put more measures in place to punish stupid drivers doing stupid things. They need to put REAL penalties in place to deter the idiots driving like numties.
I drive an artic lorry up and down the A9 every day, the amount of brain dead driving I see is frightening.
al
foolishboy said:
Sometimes yes... If I've got time to, if I'm up against the clock then no I don't. I'm not getting in to trouble at work just to let cars go past. They can overtake in their own time if I'm short if time
One of the persistent problems with the A9 is that a fair number of drivers don't seem to know when to overtake - and they bunch up too closely which stops those who could work their way up a queue from being able to do it progressively.And then if you do get past some of these the numpties then at the next DC they go way over the NSL and overtake you again.
I don't think dualling the whole A9 is a solution. Much of the time the road isn't that busy. And judging by the delays experienced while they added the crawler lanes and the Crubenmore dualing extension the road could be pretty hellish for quite a while if there were extended works.
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