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jon haines

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960 posts

276 months

Thursday 8th September 2011
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I have had my wedge for years and always thought the brakes were s***e have replaced front discs overhauled calipers replaced flexi pipes servo and not much better but i have just replaced rear discs and overhauled the calipers and cant beleive how much better the brakes are. just shows that they werent that bad a design but need to be in tip top nik to be any good.

mrzigazaga

18,816 posts

195 months

Thursday 8th September 2011
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Hi Mate..I know what you mean as regards to st brakes..Ive forgotten some of the techniques as regards to older systems for braking suddenly,(Manual ABS)..I had ABS..Anti-skid..Anti-squeal braking system on my toyota camry that i had and what a system that was..I did read somewhere as regards to brakes that sometimes a lot of it depends on the condition of the master cylinder..Sometimes upgrading or refurbing that can give overall better performance although i dont know how true it to be but it did make sense..Cheers..Ziga

JMF894

6,642 posts

185 months

Thursday 8th September 2011
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Mine have improved with use in the last 5 months. The car did around 500 miles in the year previous to me buying it.

I have drilled discs on the back but solid(vented) on the front and I believe it may have EBC pads in it too.

If you press hard enough it will stop wink

GV

2,366 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th September 2011
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I've just overhauled my entire system - the only thing not touched was the servo and I could have got a new MC but chose an upgrade to my old unit instead. I've got re-bleed the system once the new MC goes on at the weekend - which should transform th old into the new. The only thing is the handbrake which has always been iffy to say the least...

JMF894

6,642 posts

185 months

Thursday 8th September 2011
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Oh and I have a new servo wink

400SE Dave

1,306 posts

201 months

Thursday 8th September 2011
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Standard set up on mine and have found them surprisingly good on the track days...right up until the rears over heat laugh OK you have to stand on them a bit harder than a modern set up but still well up to the job.

Will be putting some pipes to direct some cool air on to the rears before the next track day, also considering this vented rear set up:-

http://www.derek-watson.co.uk/brakes.htm

pjtvr390se

134 posts

229 months

Thursday 8th September 2011
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I looked at that set up when my brakes needed attention, the advice given by others was was that the racers use ducting to force air onto the rear brakes and vented calipers are too wide to fit between the chassis rails.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

Andy390

349 posts

306 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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400SE Dave said:
Standard set up on mine and have found them surprisingly good on the track days...right up until the rears over heat laugh OK you have to stand on them a bit harder than a modern set up but still well up to the job.

Will be putting some pipes to direct some cool air on to the rears before the next track day, also considering this vented rear set up:-

http://www.derek-watson.co.uk/brakes.htm
Or you could save over £160 and get them from BG developments! They're brilliant. They made my mounting bracket for the Cerb calipers i've got on the front..
I've got a set on order. By my calculations, a small 6mm deep 'ding' in the chassis tube should clear the nearside caliper ;o)

cirks

2,549 posts

313 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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pjtvr390se said:
I looked at that set up when my brakes needed attention, the advice given by others was was that the racers use ducting to force air onto the rear brakes
That's all I have and it made a huge difference to the braking and preventing the rears overheating. The handbrakes ones still cook on track but the mains are absolutely fine. No need for anything too flash.

barrington

1,325 posts

261 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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you could always fit these bad boys tuscan s ap racing calipers and discs

Edited by barrington on Wednesday 28th September 13:22

NTEL

5,051 posts

270 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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cirks said:
That's all I have and it made a huge difference to the braking and preventing the rears overheating. The handbrakes ones still cook on track but the mains are absolutely fine. No need for anything too flash.
You don't need anything other than the standard Jag brakes on the back of a Taz, but, as cirks says, they will benefit from cooling ducts. I use Mintex 1155 pads on the back of mine and have the brake bias valve set to 70%. No problem.

The fronts are a different matter though. I have 300mm x 28mm vented discs with 4 pot WMS (Willwood copies) calipers using Mintex F4R pads. They are epic and slow me down from 130mph in a blink of an eye.

GV

2,366 posts

254 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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I would be happier with a firmer pedal and to see what and how the ducting is fitted to the rears...

TOPTON

1,514 posts

266 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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Mine has 2 of these fitted, one under each seat. (obviously underneath the car too) About 8"x4" with 2 1/2" flexi ducting going back to either disc. I suppose cutting an old 5 lt oil bottle in half and ducting from the screw neck would almost do the same


On the racers I have seem the ducting coming from the rear windows and down to the discs, not a good plan on a soft top though.


Note to self----I really must get them seat mount bolts cut down

Andy390

349 posts

306 months

Wednesday 28th September 2011
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barrington said:
you could always fit these bad boys tuscan s ap racing calipers and discs

Edited by barrington on Wednesday 28th September 13:22
Done it already hehe


barrington

1,325 posts

261 months

Thursday 29th September 2011
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they look great have you got any details for the flexi brake pipes as i need to get hold of some

GV

2,366 posts

254 months

Thursday 29th September 2011
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barrington said:
they look great have you got any details for the flexi brake pipes as i need to get hold of some
You can s/s hoses made to measure with the correct fittings from Speedflow (they don't charge by the way) or you can make them yourself albeit with a health warning as once cut the s/s braiding easily pierces the skin!! Best get them made up.

Andy390

349 posts

306 months

Thursday 29th September 2011
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barrington said:
they look great have you got any details for the flexi brake pipes as i need to get hold of some
Hi Dave, They were 'standard' Cerbera brake lines i bought as a kit on-line from one of the myriad flea-bay sellers. Cerbs use the standard british imperial threads, on the solid lines. just make sure you specify the banjo bolt connection for the caliper end.
I didn't use the rear lines...must sell them !
This colour is 'Denim Blue'
Regards
Andy

Andy390

349 posts

306 months

Thursday 29th September 2011
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NTEL said:
You don't need anything other than the standard Jag brakes on the back of a Taz, but, as cirks says, they will benefit from cooling ducts. I use Mintex 1155 pads on the back of mine and have the brake bias valve set to 70%. No problem.

The fronts are a different matter though. I have 300mm x 28mm vented discs with 4 pot WMS (Willwood copies) calipers using Mintex F4R pads. They are epic and slow me down from 130mph in a blink of an eye.
Hiya, Out of interest, where do you duct the air to on the rear discs? i have mine directly onto the side of the disc behind the caliper?.
Cheers
Andy

Andy390

349 posts

306 months

Thursday 29th September 2011
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TOPTON said:
Mine has 2 of these fitted, one under each seat. (obviously underneath the car too) About 8"x4" with 2 1/2" flexi ducting going back to either disc. I suppose cutting an old 5 lt oil bottle in half and ducting from the screw neck would almost do the same


On the racers I have seem the ducting coming from the rear windows and down to the discs, not a good plan on a soft top though.


Note to self----I really must get them seat mount bolts cut down
Hi Tony, yes i fitted these too. I got mine from Tower View racing (Nowhere near 'the tower')confused
Apparently the origins of this collector are some part of the intake ducting on a TVR S, so i was told.
Regards

Jonny weggie

1,607 posts

221 months

Thursday 29th September 2011
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Just out of interest, does venting the brakes make a big difference on normal driving 70/80mph or is it only better if doing a ton plus.
There's two air vents on the front spoiler [390]could they be rigged up with flexi pipe and diverted to the brakes.