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PHJayV8

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612 posts

190 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Can I fit a 3.9 Disco/Range Rover engine straight into a 350i?

Would I need all the AFM and fuel injection system from the 3.9 engine too?

And would I need the ECU too? Would they all easily fit the TVR?

Where is the ECU? Steve Heath's book doesn't make it clear

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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The RR engine has a deeper water pump with a longer nose but I dunno if that will stop the operation. Or else you could change over the front cover and use the standard SDi one.

I have an RR engine and might measure it back=front if I get time...

Other than that the rest of it looks fairly standard athough if you're lucky you might get a 11.5" clutch.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

314 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Mine is a Range Rover motor in 400. Not sure what it was though. 4.2 now.

vampire222

433 posts

179 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Flapper to Flapper or Hotwire to Hotwire should be pretty much plug & play except for the pump.

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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AFAIK the RR3.9's was hotwire, also AFAIK all 350i's was flapper.

So you would need to use your inlet, injectors etc if you want to keep it a flapper, and use your current ECU and wiring.

As said the water-pump is different, so may not fit under the bonnet, but also as pointed out you can change the front cover and other bits over.

You also may want to swap the camshaft while you have it apart.

voltage_maxx

368 posts

239 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Fuel Injection system is different (hotwire), ancillery drives will be different, sump is different (larger capacity).

Will have a relatively mild cam in too, with it being a RR engine - optimised for torque.
Depending on the age of engine, it may well be set up for lamda sensors too (catalyst car) although a change of tune resistor can be used to tell the ECU to ignore the lamda input (and tell it it's driving a manual box).

Flywheel will be heavier, most likely non-existant as most were autos (flexplate).

If you're considering this as an 'upgrade' to the standard 3.5, you'll probably find it's a bit of a downgrade. The vitesse spec 3.5 is a more powerful engine than a Range Rover spec 3.9.

ECU incidentally is mounted on the swing down flap in the passenger foot-well.

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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voltage_maxx said:
If you're considering this as an 'upgrade' to the standard 3.5, you'll probably find it's a bit of a downgrade. The vitesse spec 3.5 is a more powerful engine than a Range Rover spec 3.9.
With a Camshaft change you get 220 BHP + from a RR 3.9 so can be a cheap upgrade, plus easy to do if your stripping it down to a short block( Block, crank, pistons, heads) and fitting all the 350i bits onto it.

voltage_maxx

368 posts

239 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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TVRleigh_BBWR said:
With a Camshaft change you get 220 BHP + from a RR 3.9 so can be a cheap upgrade, plus easy to do if your stripping it down to a short block( Block, crank, pistons, heads) and fitting all the 350i bits onto it.
Granted smile But as a straight swap, like for like, the standard 350i engine should out BHP it.

PHJayV8

Original Poster:

612 posts

190 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Thanks all smile and where is the ECU on a 1987 350i please?

voltage_maxx

368 posts

239 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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PHJayV8 said:
Thanks all smile and where is the ECU on a 1987 350i please?
In the passenger footwell, there's a 'flap' underneath the glove box which has a map pocket.
Unhook that and let it drop down and voila! You have your ECU along with the relays smile

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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No way! Under the drivers seat.

Rangeys had flappers too didn't they on some vintages?

voltage_maxx

368 posts

239 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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adam quantrill said:
No way! Under the drivers seat.

Rangeys had flappers too didn't they on some vintages?
Adam, mine's definitely on the passenger side on a pull down flap!

3.5 Range Rovers were on the flapper system yes, but all 3.9s were on the hotwire system.
There are SOME 3.5 discoveries on hotwire, as the 3.9 was kept out of the discovery to give more 'distance' between the vehicles. Of course by this point the superior hotwire system had come in, so some discoveries got a 3.5 EFI system!