So......'THAT' subject again......

[father ted]

I'm suprised that after BBWF it has not been raised again (or is it that i'm an insensitive swine?)
deep breath.......
Is Firefox's SEAC a genuine SEAC? i am aware he's got a factory letter 'validating' authenticity but did Jezza finally get any clarity from Chris Schirle or anyone else as to the origins of the 390 bodied 420 lump bearing SEAC?


please tell me as i'm intrigued every time i view piccies of the 'SEAC' shoot


dives back into the bunker....

[father ted]

Patrick said:

Shame there isn't a :tumbleweed: smilie

and a distant bell tolling........

Very PC you lot.

[19560]

father ted said:

the origins of the 390 bodied 420 lump bearing SEAC?

I thought that it was a lot closer to the 420i body shell - which is more likely to be closer to it's origins.

It doesn't have the SEAC body or suspension. I think that it may be better for everyone (inc Firefox) to consider this as an unusual and unique car on its own merits instead of trying to pigeon hole it.

[father ted]

I thought that it was a lot closer to the 420i body shell - which is more likely to be closer to it's origins.


i don't think i've ever seen a 420i so i couldn't comment....
In what respects is it closer to a 420i, more so than to a 390SE? .....is it the side skirts/joins?




>> Edited by father ted on Sunday 1st August 12:02

[pistolar]

of couse its not a seac

[seamus]

father ted said:

I thought that it was a lot closer to the 420i body shell - which is more likely to be closer to it's origins. I don't think i've ever seen a 420i so i couldn't comment.... In what respects is it closer to a 420i, more so than to a 390SE? .....is it the side skirts/joins?

If memory serves, the main difference with the 420 SE is that it has a more defined lip on the sill than that of the 390 SE..

BTW - Have you met my dog tumble :


And as for the sound of the distant bell:


Already got me coat and left

Edited to add: Can you tell I'm well bored @ work - @ least the 400s waiting for a run home..

>> Edited by seamus on Sunday 1st August 13:00

[dickymint]

19560 said:

father ted said: the origins of the 390 bodied 420 lump bearing SEAC? I think that it may be better for everyone (inc Firefox) to consider this as an unusual and unique car on its own merits instead of trying to pigeon hole it.

Well said - however Richard Sails has been tasked with job of catalogueing ALL Wedges starting with the SEAC's. So I think it will have to be "pigeon holed" somewhere. I would think that a definative answer wouldn't be too difficult for the factory/Chris Schirle etc to determine.
I for one hope that it turns out to be part of the SEAC family tree.
PS remember that FireFox is offline at the moment with PC problems (he can read but not answer the forum)

[seamus]

dickymint said:

19560 said: father ted said: the origins of the 390 bodied 420 lump bearing SEAC? I think that it may be better for everyone (inc Firefox) to consider this as an unusual and unique car on its own merits instead of trying to pigeon hole it. Well said - however Richard Sails has been tasked with job of catalogueing ALL Wedges starting with the SEAC's. So I think it will have to be "pigeon holed" somewhere. I would think that a definative answer wouldn't be too difficult for the factory/Chris Schirle etc to determine. I for one hope that it turns out to be part of the SEAC family tree.

. When speaking with FF @ BBWF he did mention that the factory were not able to give any more details at that time so can only hope that with Chris Schirles' help he can finally sort it out and continue to enjoy his BBW

[19560]

dickymint said:

I think it will have to be "pigeon holed" somewhere.

I don't think that it needs to be grouped with any of the other wedges - the white elephant is another case in point.

[father ted]

19560 said:

dickymint said: I think it will have to be "pigeon holed" somewhere. I don't think that it needs to be grouped with any of the other wedges - the white elephant is another case in point.

Not it's not .....that's a SEAC too ! ......and so is my people carrier

Hurry up and get your PC fixed Firefox mate....this is still a very interesting motor that may not need 'pidgeon holing' but has been well worthy of past/current debate......hope she is still bringing you plenty mellow yellow smiles JJ?

[father ted]

seamus said:

Edited to add: Can you tell I'm well bored @ work - @ least the 400s waiting for a run home.. >> Edited by seamus on Sunday 1st August 13:00

Yeah ,i'm working today too.......feckin hot out on the Airport today......but those lady passengers are all wearing iddy biddy bikini tops and micro skirts.....and when they board the aeroplane the air conditioning packs are on full cold (cos thats where i set them before the crew get on ) and suprisingly (not) the phrase chappel coat pegs and Scammell wheel nuts is very apt so the view is almost worth working the w/end for......my 400 is at home baking in the sun resplendant with targa top full of cat hair again

BTW have you a splatted cat smiley?

[seamus]

father ted said:

seamus said: Edited to add: Can you tell I'm well bored @ work - @ least the 400s waiting for a run home.. Yeah ,i'm working today too.......feckin hot out on the Airport today......but those lady passengers are all wearing iddy biddy bikini tops and micro skirts... and when they board the aeroplane the air conditioning packs are on full cold (cos thats where i set them before the crew get on ) and suprisingly (not) the phrase chappel coat pegs and Scammell wheel nuts is very apt so the view is almost worth working the w/end for......my 400 is at home baking in the sun resplendant with targa top full of cat hair again BTW have you a splatted cat smiley?

At least you have something to keep you amuzed

I assume peeing on the targa didn't work then

Best I can do for you is this - here's hoping the mouse wins:

[father ted]

c'mon mouse...yay!!....shit ,no ....c'mon mouse ...yay!! .....shit oh bo@@@ks....can't keep up with them

homer mode off / beavis & butthead parallel by-pass off

[19560]

streaky said:

On another topic, I noticed that the under-wing on the 400SEs appeared to be a modified (cut away top surface between the supports) version of that on the SEACs rather than the full "aerodynamic" moulding of the 390SEs. Also the supports are glassed-in rather than left with the drilled bracket showing - as on the 390SEs Streaky

I think that you are getting confused with the car that someone had with a 400 rear underspoiler/bumper that someone had taken a saw to to modify to look a bit like a 390 spoiler. All of the models have individual mouldings.

Jonathan

PS Just a reminder that your car should be running on 225/50s Streaky

[rev-erend]

I think at the next BBWF we should abandon the do-nut competition and just get a few protagonists with handbags as weapons of choice

[tasmania]

I look forward to FF being able to comment and we should let him have his say.
Bottom line is it's a Wedge and FF is part of the Team.
IMHO from looking over FF's car and discussing all things 390SE and SEAC with Chris at BBWF it is not a SEAC - Like I say IMHO.
The only saving grace for FF is back to the debate about how'd we know as the factory records are at best - Ho hum! Most if not all V8 Wedge log books say TVR Tasmin Sports with a 3498cc engine (the latter can be changed by the owner but thats what they said when they left Blackpool). When the 390's and 420SEAC's were built some owners of the 390's spec'd a 4.2 engine and in general they were still called 390SE's. Chris said all SEAC's left the factory with the body of a SEAC and the negative camber bottom arm but interiors, engine build spec, the amount of Kevlar and the options varied quite significantly.
Due to the suspension layout and body on FF's car it would suggest it is one of the 390SE's with a 4.2 SEAC engine and fitted with a SEAC wing.
It is a unique beasty and FF has a fun Wedge which I'm sure he is enjoying enormously. I am just annoyed that dispite trying to chat to FF at BBWF I kept missing him
FF - enjoy the car and let us all know if Richard, Chris or you have found out more. When I followed you from Stratford to BBWF you had a bit of oil smoke from the zorst - perhaps the breather trap on the top of the engine needs changing/cleaning.
TaS

[firefox1712]

Tas -

As mentioned on another thread; little to add to this at the moment.

I can understand the sentiments of some others to whom the car just doesn't look like an SEAC, so I'm sorry if my car spoiled the photo of the SEAC's at BBWF - I was asked to put it in the photo! And I did query that, since I accept that mine is the 'odd one out' SEAC. Maybe my car can be edited out for the photo in Sprint?

I don't have a letter from the factory saying it is an SEAC. I have separate (three I think) sets of information kindly supplied by the TVRCC verbally and by email that say that from the build sheet/info they have taken from factory files the car is an SEAC.

I believe there are letters on file from both the factory and The TVR Centre saying they have no information on the car.

Perhaps the best thing to do is to contact those people who have been with TVR for many years - I'll have a trawl through the threads again.

What is the breather whotsit? It does smoke under hard acceleration - sorry you got the benefit of that south of Stratford! I have good oil pressure and it does not seem to overly use oil.

It all performs nicely apart from feeling a bit 'off' since my mech retarded the ignition (not on my instruction) to cure pinking.

I have now had the shocks adjusted back a little to give a slightly more compliant ride, but it is difficult to decide if this is a lot better that the race hard setup. Maybe I'll try a couple more notches off the shocks to go softer.

cheers!
firefox