Trident at home!
Discussion
Hi
Well we got the car home and as promised I am posting up a few (10) pics.
The car is heavly based on a TR6, so restoration will be a lot easier than other restoration I have done!
Its so like a TVR in ways and for a 60's design I like it!
Plus its got a little wedge shape to it!
It was last on the road in 78 and just before then the owner was stopped by the police for doing 105 MPH!
Towing a speed boat at the time!
The pics make it look a lot better than it is, (Thanks Mr Sheen)
It's going to be a interesting resto and I will keep you updated with info and pics as I go!
Andy
Well we got the car home and as promised I am posting up a few (10) pics.
The car is heavly based on a TR6, so restoration will be a lot easier than other restoration I have done!
Its so like a TVR in ways and for a 60's design I like it!
Plus its got a little wedge shape to it!
It was last on the road in 78 and just before then the owner was stopped by the police for doing 105 MPH!
Towing a speed boat at the time!
The pics make it look a lot better than it is, (Thanks Mr Sheen)
It's going to be a interesting resto and I will keep you updated with info and pics as I go!
Andy
Fabulous photos !!
I can't help but think it's a child of it's time -
It has things that remind me of Vixens, things that remind me of Wedges, the interior reminds me of the SE5 Scimitar, and TVR obviously left enough room in the engine bay for a V8...
The interior and varnishes etc look in wonderful condition !!
Looks like TR6 bumpers and I just love the Triumph gearstick at a crazy angle on what must be a Ford overdrive setup ?
I can't help but think it's a child of it's time -
It has things that remind me of Vixens, things that remind me of Wedges, the interior reminds me of the SE5 Scimitar, and TVR obviously left enough room in the engine bay for a V8...
The interior and varnishes etc look in wonderful condition !!
Looks like TR6 bumpers and I just love the Triumph gearstick at a crazy angle on what must be a Ford overdrive setup ?
Love it!!..It looks in relatively good condition for its age..The interior doesnt look too shabby and the bumpers still look chrome with no or little rust..As said look at the space in the engine bay..Although im sure it will keep its essex 3.0ltr even if there is enough room for a V8..very nice..Ziga
That tax disc is probably worth something..Its antique!..40 sobs a year, Those were the days...The road tax has increased £5 a year since..Petrol was around 77p per gallon..So has increased about 15p per year..So i suppose in the great scheme of things the inflation from then till now has not been that bad..Although i couldnt say the same thing about my stomach..
RCK974X said:
Fabulous photos !!
I can't help but think it's a child of it's time -
It has things that remind me of Vixens, things that remind me of Wedges, the interior reminds me of the SE5 Scimitar, and TVR obviously left enough room in the engine bay for a V8...
The interior and varnishes etc look in wonderful condition !!
Looks like TR6 bumpers and I just love the Triumph gearstick at a crazy angle on what must be a Ford overdrive setup ?
Hi AndyI can't help but think it's a child of it's time -
It has things that remind me of Vixens, things that remind me of Wedges, the interior reminds me of the SE5 Scimitar, and TVR obviously left enough room in the engine bay for a V8...
The interior and varnishes etc look in wonderful condition !!
Looks like TR6 bumpers and I just love the Triumph gearstick at a crazy angle on what must be a Ford overdrive setup ?
I am glad you like the pics. I would like to make a few coments ref your post.
"TVR obviously left enough room in the engine bay for a V8."
Well they did and it was called a "Clipper"
Just another point my car is not a TVR it was built by Trident, yes TVR had a car which look similar and was also called a Trident. TVR/Martin Liley lost the production writes when the old TVR managment sold the writes to a TVR dealer in Suffok. The Trident car company was formed and around 85 cars were made in one model or another. My car it appears was one of the last three Venturer made, the other two are in Germany!
"The interior varnishes etc look in wonderful condition"
Well overall they are apart from the lower switch panel!
Its cracked and will need a lit bit of work!
"Truimph gearstick at a grazy angle on what must be a Ford overdrive set up?"
What gearbox is in the car is a question I want to know myself, I think its a Truimph unit with a special bell housing to fit the Ford Engine.
We will find this out when we take the body off etc!
Andy
Edited by Mr Tank on Monday 31st December 11:40
Mr Tank said:
TVR/Martin Liley lost the production writes when the old TVR managment sold the writes to a TVR dealer in Suffok. The Trident car company was formed and around 85 cars were made in one model or another. My car it appears was one of the last three Venturer made, the other two are in Germany!
Not strictly correct.If you read Peter Filby's new book he re-affirms the stories that the design was in effect 'stolen' by said TVR dealer while TVR were going through (yet another) bankruptcy and their attention was elsewhere. By the time Martin and his father, along with Trver Fiore (The designer) realised what was going on it was too late.
A real pity as this would have been a awesome TVR of its time.
V8 GRF said:
Not strictly correct.
If you read Peter Filby's new book he re-affirms the stories that the design was in effect 'stolen' by said TVR dealer while TVR were going through (yet another) bankruptcy and their attention was elsewhere. By the time Martin and his father, along with Trver Fiore (The designer) realised what was going on it was too late.
A real pity as this would have been a awesome TVR of its time.
Now now David this can't not be proved! If you read Peter Filby's new book he re-affirms the stories that the design was in effect 'stolen' by said TVR dealer while TVR were going through (yet another) bankruptcy and their attention was elsewhere. By the time Martin and his father, along with Trver Fiore (The designer) realised what was going on it was too late.
A real pity as this would have been a awesome TVR of its time.
The old mangment of TVR sold it! The new mangement missed it.
I can agree it would have been a awesome TVR and the design is way before its time!
The mechanicals are a proven system and are mainly from one car not a number of differant cars!
It's going to be a very interesting restoration.
When its completed I think I will display it as the car which should have been a TVR but wasn't!
Andy
Mr Tank said:
Now now David this can't not be proved! The old mangment of TVR sold it! The new mangement missed it.
I think there's enough evidence from several parties, not just TVR sources to suggest that the design wasn't sold but 'acquired'.As I say read chapter 2 of Filby's new book and the quote on page 31 which says
'Launched at the Geneva motor show in March 1965, the Trident was nowhere near production-ready when the Lilleys took over TVR. But it was part of the package they bought from the liquidator of Grantura Engineering'
Mr Tank said:
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The mechanicals are a proven system and are mainly from one car not a number of differant cars!
Andy, whilst I admire your enthusiasm, this just isn't true, the Last cars (Trident Car Company) were originally on a Healey Chassis, and then on a modified TR6 chassis, and used Ford running gear (either V8 or Essex V6). I agree that the Trident is an interesting car, but the non-TVR ones have very little original DNA from the TVR ones, different chassis, different body material, different shape, different interior, etc, etc. The TVR ones rea TVRs that might have been.The mechanicals are a proven system and are mainly from one car not a number of differant cars!
V8 GRF said:
I think there's enough evidence from several parties, not just TVR sources to suggest that the design wasn't sold but 'acquired'.
As I say read chapter 2 of Filby's new book and the quote on page 31 which says
'Launched at the Geneva motor show in March 1965, the Trident was nowhere near production-ready when the Lilleys took over TVR. But it was part of the package they bought from the liquidator of Grantura Engineering'
DavidAs I say read chapter 2 of Filby's new book and the quote on page 31 which says
'Launched at the Geneva motor show in March 1965, the Trident was nowhere near production-ready when the Lilleys took over TVR. But it was part of the package they bought from the liquidator of Grantura Engineering'
I will not go into the legal side.
If this was the case then the Martin should have taken legal action, but he didn't because if he did what Peter has written was correct then TVR would have kepped the design.
Sorry its a bit of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other!
TVR missed it, which was a great shame as the design is sound.
But then TVR may have changed it so who can say what it would have been like under TVR production!
We will never know!
Andy
DavidY said:
Andy, whilst I admire your enthusiasm, this just isn't true, the Last cars (Trident Car Company) were originally on a Healey Chassis, and then on a modified TR6 chassis, and used Ford running gear (either V8 or Essex V6). I agree that the Trident is an interesting car, but the non-TVR ones have very little original DNA from the TVR ones, different chassis, different body material, different shape, different interior, etc, etc. The TVR ones rea TVRs that might have been.
Sorry DavidThe car is on TR6 running gear, the engine is Ford but the rest is TR6 even the wiring is colour coded (Not black)
The chassis is a modified TR6 (extended by 5")
Body materials are the same as most TVR, glassfibre.
Yes there were only four cars made under the TVR name (I beleive not made by TVR) of which there is how many in the country One!
If TVR had keeped the design it would be interesting to have seen what they would have done to it in Blackpool. Installed black wiring and other such niceties!
Andy
Edited by Mr Tank on Monday 31st December 14:17
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