Hotwire vs Flapper
Hotwire vs Flapper
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Yatesy350i

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1,035 posts

166 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Gents

Can someone please explain the pros and cons of the two systems. I'm hoping to have a 400se at some time this year. (need to get shut of the 350 FHC first though or Wifey will have my nuts off)

I'm assuming it's all down to performance?

Cheers Karl.

keatsie

326 posts

194 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Good question and sure it will get a few differing answers, but to explain in brief.

The older vane airflow meter has a variable resistor that measures the movement of the vane as air flows through the airflow meter. It doesn't actually measure airflow directly but the drag caused by the air as it flows through which is proportional to the airflow. It does not cater for the air density just flow and additional sensors are added to calculate adjustment for changes in air density.

Hotwire airflow sensors use a heated wire that is heated by either a constant voltage or constant current, the amount of current or voltage to maintain the wire at a set temperature provides not only the airflow but also air density. As airflows over the wire it removes heat and therefore more voltage or current is required to maintain the heat, the denser the air the less flow is required to remove heat and therefore the hotwire airflow meter caters for both airflow and air density.

Their are benefits in the later hotwire system, these include less drag and reduced airflow, less prone to mechanical failure, responds very quickly to changes in air flow, doesn't really care about the mounting location, orientation etc.. The system reduces the number of I dependant sensors required to determine airdensity, smaller and cheaper..

Other changes are less obvious, these will include updated software more capable of providing more accurate fueling which in tern provides more power with better fuel consumption and less emissions.

If you want any more info just shout..

Edited by keatsie on Saturday 8th February 21:00

Jack Valiant

1,894 posts

266 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Karl, echo above but if you would like to discuss you have pm

Chris

PHJayV8

612 posts

190 months

Saturday 8th February 2014
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Sorry to sound dim, but would my 1990 400SE be hotwire or flapper?

Is there a visual difference?

Jay

keatsie

326 posts

194 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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Should be hotwire, my 400 SE is and yours I think should be.

Jack Valiant

1,894 posts

266 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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The later 400 SE's had hot-wire afm's but my old one (1989) had the flapper system. Anyway pictur tells a thousand as they say...

Flapper, note size and shape of the AFM box on the wing top right right:



Hot wire AFM on my 500i notice completely different shape



Chris



V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

162 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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Flapper makes more snap, crackle and pop, therefore must be better.

Yatesy350i

Original Poster:

1,035 posts

166 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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Thanks Guys

Great info again. Chirs that's one he'll if an engine bay mate biggrin

Cheers Karl.

PHJayV8

612 posts

190 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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Thanks from me too, I'm sure mines a flapper too, I'll check when I'm brave enough to go to the garage in this wind and rain lol

superwedge

1,286 posts

178 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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my one sounds lovely ,pop;s and bangs like the girl down the road to meearslickhehe

keatsie

326 posts

194 months

Sunday 9th February 2014
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I still get a good crackling and popping coming of the power after a good hard acceleration :0)

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

291 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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And more general information:
Hotwire more easy to tune = possibility to change the chip and get that reprogrammed if you want. Tornado chips are about and you just need the right chip socket to be able to change it.

Flapper difficult to tune. Can't change the chip, rest is resistors: remains the fuel pressure regulator.
Flapper needs the resistor pack to go with the injectors, on the hotwire they are different and run direct of the ECU.

Rob

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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In a nutshell - flapper : best sounding car ever.

Hotwire - more efficient but the £1 a month you will save will never replace
the grin you will get from a flapper.