Lost me brakes.

Lost me brakes.

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NeilS3

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331 posts

251 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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Well I thought I'd take the wedge out for a hoon and great yep... she's very fast!

However the scary bit....I lost all brakes! Brake pedal with no pressure at all. The plastic lid on top of the brake chamber reservoir had popped off and the master cylinder seal which the reservoir chamber sits is now leaking so I guess that would loose all brake pedal pressure?

Is there a certain bush kit to replace?



mrzigazaga

18,623 posts

179 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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Hi


Should be Ford Cortina mk4/5
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NeilS3

Original Poster:

331 posts

251 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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mrzigazaga said:
Hi


Should be Ford Cortina mk4/5
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Ziga smile
Brilliant, cheers Ziga.

mrzigazaga

18,623 posts

179 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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You seem to have some black fleck in the fluid which can suggest that the actual cylinder is failing....again it is Ford Cortina mk4/5....You should at least change the fluid out but be cautious as it might not be the seals causing lack of brakes..

NeilS3

Original Poster:

331 posts

251 months

Sunday 27th January 2019
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mrzigazaga said:
You seem to have some black fleck in the fluid which can suggest that the actual cylinder is failing....again it is Ford Cortina mk4/5....You should at least change the fluid out but be cautious as it might not be the seals causing lack of brakes..
Ok thanks, one of the seals is definitely weeping so I'll get both replaced and look out for another brake cylinder as well. Typically I have spare ones for my S Series but not wedge.

wild rover

449 posts

195 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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2.8 Capri master cylinder fits.

NeilS3

Original Poster:

331 posts

251 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Thanks, to be honest for £17 I can get all the bushes replaced in the brake cylinder. Looks like one has failed inside as fluid levels are still topped up.

Steve_D

13,798 posts

272 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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NeilS3 said:
Thanks, to be honest for £17 I can get all the bushes replaced in the brake cylinder. Looks like one has failed inside as fluid levels are still topped up.
Please don't replace the seals just put a new master cylinder on.
This part has to be the most significant safety feature on a car so it makes no sense to take half measures in its repair.

Steve

NeilS3

Original Poster:

331 posts

251 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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Steve_D said:
Please don't replace the seals just put a new master cylinder on.
This part has to be the most significant safety feature on a car so it makes no sense to take half measures in its repair.

Steve
......Doh... yes indeed, you have a very valid point.

colin mee

1,205 posts

134 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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I have replaced seals before and they never last .not worth the time

adam quantrill

11,605 posts

256 months

Wednesday 30th January 2019
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Ditto with clutches once the bore has worn they don't last.

njhucker

377 posts

274 months

Sunday 3rd February 2019
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Unlikely that you would loose your brakes because of a leaking reservoir seal. Did your pedal go to the floor after a fast drive, and then come back after cooling down? If so that it a rear pad not free, and boiling the fluid.

njhucker

377 posts

274 months

Sunday 3rd February 2019
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Also, how old is your fluid? Old fluid has a much lower boiling point as it gradually absorbs water (known as the wet boiling point) Use fluid with the highest dry boiling point you can find, such as this: http://www.millersoils.co.uk/products/racing-brake...

NeilS3

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331 posts

251 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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njhucker said:
Unlikely that you would loose your brakes because of a leaking reservoir seal. Did your pedal go to the floor after a fast drive, and then come back after cooling down? If so that it a rear pad not free, and boiling the fluid.
Thanks, interesting as what you have described. Brake pedal turned to slush after accelerating fast and I smelt a whiff of fumes so first thought maybe a hose pipe came loose/split but funny enough next day to turn car around in driveway the brakes worked fine however as engine warmed up just on tickover the pedal started to become slushy again.

I have taken the master cylinder off to have a look and I can see a slight hole in one of the rubber bushes so I would have thought down to that? Fluids are all old so thanks for the link I will renew everything before start putting miles on the car as I'm enjoying having a wedge.

Edited by NeilS3 on Monday 4th February 22:13


Edited by NeilS3 on Monday 4th February 22:17

QBee

21,688 posts

158 months

Tuesday 5th February 2019
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I have boiled the brake fluid on my Chimaera.
New pads, racing variety, one year old high temp fluid.

Brakes vanished when braking hard before a 90 left at 120 mph.
Changed my underwear while Phazed popped my old pads back in, topped up the fluid, and the track day continued with no further issues.

So the point about elderly brake fluid is well made.

Wedgehead

118 posts

80 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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I'm interested in what the fix was here. Wouldn't you still have had at least one circuit of breaks?

adam quantrill

11,605 posts

256 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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I don't think the wedge has split braking circuits, usually.

phillpot

17,371 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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If this is a Wedge master cylinder then yes they have twin or dual circuit brakes.

But..... if one circuit fails you will hopefully still get some brakes at the other end but it won't be a "normal pedal", they'll be a lot of travel.

Have you ever struggled to get a bit of air out when bleeding rear brakes? Front circuit may be fine but pedal will be rubbish.


Wedgehead

118 posts

80 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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I’m with you....but the original complaint (and I don’t have my car in front of me for reference) it was mentioned that the res. Cap popped off, and lost all brakes, at the same time???
In reality the cap was probably loose for weeks and just seemed to occur at same time.
Just wondering

NeilS3

Original Poster:

331 posts

251 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Wedgehead said:
I’m with you....but the original complaint (and I don’t have my car in front of me for reference) it was mentioned that the res. Cap popped off, and lost all brakes, at the same time???
In reality the cap was probably loose for weeks and just seemed to occur at same time.
Just wondering
Hi there, yes that was the very strange bit with it popping off as I'm always checking things like that before I go out in it and was definitely on tight before hand.

I have jacked the rear up and I can turn one of the rear wheels by hand however one side is slightly binding on and looking at the rear brake pads they look very thin (handbrake pads fine) so would have thought brake piston pulling out too far with the pad and sticking? Anyway new rear pads arrived yesterday although looks a horrible job to reach so will be getting a garage to fit them and bleed system properly. The master Cylinder I changed so typically looking like that wasn't required but hey ho it's now a new part.

Any ideas why the cap would be forced off?