Middle silencer boxes on 280?
Middle silencer boxes on 280?
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jon@127

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129 posts

261 months

Thursday 19th May 2005
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The box under my seat on my 280 has given up the ghost!
What do the experts say about replacing these middle silencers with a straight through pipe?
It seems to me this will be cheaper than a new silencer and improve the soundtrack too .
Cheers
Jon

FHCNICK

1,376 posts

259 months

Thursday 19th May 2005
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i'm no expert and the laws of gas flow through the exhaust are over my head but imho i'd buy a new box then at least you'll know that you wont hinder the performance.

paul gotts

4,113 posts

290 months

Thursday 19th May 2005
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Hi Jon, thats a very well cared for car you have there. I can't remember, does the 280 have a single central box feeding into 2 separate boxes at the back?
I do remember that our 280 always sounded quiet (well compared to most of the RV8 cars anyway) so anything you can do to liberate some of that V6 noise has got to be worthwhile.

jchase

572 posts

287 months

Thursday 19th May 2005
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Hmmm, my old 280 had straight through pipes in that position, and she got about 16mpg. Dunno if it's connected, just thought you might want to know.

FHCNICK

1,376 posts

259 months

Thursday 19th May 2005
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jchase said:
Hmmm, my old 280 had straight through pipes in that position, and she got about 16mpg. Dunno if it's connected, just thought you might want to know.


grahamw48

9,944 posts

266 months

Thursday 19th May 2005
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According to the 'bible', the earliest 280s (like mine)
only had one silencer anyway, the one in the middle of the car, UNDER the propshaft. Later cars (up to Sept 81) had single box OVER propshaft.

Cars from Sept 1981 onwards used a 'Langford' system, with two boxes under the centre of the car, and two at the back.

I think you need to start counting silencers.

If you have the single silencer system, and get rid of that one, then it will of course make a hell of a din, as it will be UNSILENCED.

Mine has the early system, but in stainless steel, and is definately NOT quiet.

jon@127

Original Poster:

129 posts

261 months

Friday 20th May 2005
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Mine is an 84 model and it has 4 silencers!
The pipes exit the engine bay either side, run past the gearbox and go into a silencer under each seat (nice in the winter but burns your bum in the summer so I've been told)
From here they wind their way through the chassis over the swing arms to two more silencers just before the tail pipes.
I am hoping the rear boxed will supply sufficnet silencing. I guess I could give it a go if the straight thru pipes are not too expensive.
I certainly sounds better now there is a leak on the one under my seat!

thegamekeeper

2,282 posts

310 months

Friday 20th May 2005
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it wont when it catches fire !!!!!!!!!!!!!

jon@127

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129 posts

261 months

Friday 20th May 2005
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thegamekeeper said:
it wont when it catches fire !!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which is why I am seeking advice on its replacement.
Currently it is wrapped and jubilee clipped but that gas just keeps escaping

FHCNICK

1,376 posts

259 months

Friday 20th May 2005
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grahamw48 said:
According to the 'bible', the earliest 280s (like mine)
only had one silencer anyway, the one in the middle of the car, UNDER the propshaft. Later cars (up to Sept 81) had single box OVER propshaft.

Cars from Sept 1981 onwards used a 'Langford' system, with two boxes under the centre of the car, and two at the back.

I think you need to start counting silencers.

If you have the single silencer system, and get rid of that one, then it will of course make a hell of a din, as it will be UNSILENCED.

Mine has the early system, but in stainless steel, and is definately NOT quiet.


nor is mine quiet in fact 1 mot station once tried to insist that i had 2 silencers made for the tailpipes as it was too loud, i showed him the schematic from the parts manual and he conceded that i hadn't modded it to make it noisy

thegamekeeper

2,282 posts

310 months

Friday 20th May 2005
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Buy a NEW system without the silencers under the seat, a central silencer box, and without the rear silencer boxes which cause the system to rub on the drive shafts. £350 plus carriage plus vat in stainless steel, guaranteed for life. sTeVeR

grahamw48

9,944 posts

266 months

Friday 20th May 2005
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thegamekeeper said:
Buy a NEW system without the silencers under the seat, a central silencer box, and without the rear silencer boxes which cause the system to rub on the drive shafts. £350 plus carriage plus vat in stainless steel, guaranteed for life. sTeVeR


Yep, that's the one I've got.

jon@127

Original Poster:

129 posts

261 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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I'm back! (been a bit busy)
Well, I've fitted the straight thru pipes. Just another day spent under the car, (wifie thinks I've got some oily other woman under there)
Sounds Grrrreat, got a really nice rasp now and loads of popping on overrun, excellent, music to the
Also just tested the noise and it's only 80 odd dB at 1m from the pipes.
All round a great success.
I also discovered you can use silicone sealer on the joints, keeps it's elasticity even when exhaust is up to temperature and makes a really god seal.
Next investigate the slight tendency to pull to the right under braking.
Before anyone says anything I've already done the disks, calipers, pads & hoses .

grahamw48

9,944 posts

266 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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Tyre pressures ?

Supension bushes/joints ?

Duff spring or shocker ?

The colonel

331 posts

265 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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jon@127 said:

I also discovered you can use silicone sealer on the joints, keeps it's elasticity even when exhaust is up to temperature and makes a really god seal.



I never knew that - something new learnt

Anyone else used it on exhausts?

grahamw48

9,944 posts

266 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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I've used it on tin roofs in the tropics, but wouldn't have thought it would take exhaust type temps.
Interesting.

SEvans

1,188 posts

295 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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The colonel said:

jon@127 said:

I also discovered you can use silicone sealer on the joints, keeps it's elasticity even when exhaust is up to temperature and makes a really god seal.




I never knew that - something new learnt

Anyone else used it on exhausts?


I think it needs to be RTV for the temp. JP Exhausts use it so I guess it must work OK.

york33

995 posts

290 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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I used it on my kit cars exhaust, which would never seal with paste, silicon (clear ) smoked a bit at first, then sealed well.....

paul gotts

4,113 posts

290 months

Wednesday 8th June 2005
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I've got some silicon sealant rated at 250 deg. C. for use on fireplaces etc., although I've never thought to use it on exhausts. Not sure that it would be up to the manifold to centre box joints though. Anyone know whether the acetic acid curing agent which a lot of these sealants release affects the finish of stainless steel?

Paul.

paul gotts

4,113 posts

290 months

Wednesday 8th June 2005
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I've got some silicon sealant rated at 250 deg. C. for use on fireplaces etc., although I've never thought to use it on exhausts. Not sure that it would be up to the manifold to centre box joints though. Anyone know whether the acetic acid curing agent which a lot of these sealants release affects the finish of stainless steel?

Paul.