It should ....... But it dosent
It should ....... But it dosent
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pistolar

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1,474 posts

297 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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whilst bashing my head against the wall i write this plea for help ............

1984 tasmin 350 with knackered engine

fit replacement secondhand complete engine with injection (never heard running)

engine turns over, will not start

IGNITION
checked static timing
new leads
new cap
have spark at plugs

FUEL
gauge reads 1/4 tank.
fuel pump buzzes.
fuel at rail.
swopped pressure regulator.

INJECTION
swopped ecu twice.
put a bulb across pins 4 and 17, bulb is illuminated when ignition on.
swopped resistor pack.
checked that power was being fed to resistor pack
swopped throttle sensor.
put a bulb across one of the injector two terminals, flashes when engine cranked.

NOTE
seems to try faintly to fire.
plugs dry.
after trying to start you can hear the fuel pump buzzing away continuously.

HOW DO I GET THE BLOODY THING STARTED, or do i tow it around to mowatts and let him sort it

..... answers on a post card .... please please






wedge girl

4,688 posts

268 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Check continuity in the wire from the ignition amplifier on the distributor to number one pin on the ECU.

digga951

490 posts

304 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Air flow meter? Either stuck open, or buggered in general?

pistolar

Original Poster:

1,474 posts

297 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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wedge girl said:
Check continuity in the wire from the ignition amplifier on the distributor to number one pin on the ECU.


cheers .... what does it do?

pistolar

Original Poster:

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Friday 28th October 2005
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digga951 said:
Air flow meter? Either stuck open, or buggered in general?



forgot to say that i also swopped airflow meter over

wedg1e

27,035 posts

294 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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pistolar said:

wedge girl said:
Check continuity in the wire from the ignition amplifier on the distributor to number one pin on the ECU.



cheers .... what does it do?


Tells the ECU to fire the injectors.... which it seems to be doing...?

stainless_steve

6,052 posts

287 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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pistolar said:


HOW DO I GET THE BLOODY THING STARTED



Ring Wedg1e... Tel: 0345-222 222

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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'None of the plugs are wet' .. sounds like you have found the problem..

You could test by removing an injector and spraying into a container while cranking over..

Is the throttle pot / airflow electrics (earth connector) connected !

>> Edited by rev-erend on Friday 28th October 19:28

wedg1e

27,035 posts

294 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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stainless_steve said:

pistolar said:


HOW DO I GET THE BLOODY THING STARTED




Ring Wedg1e... Tel: 0345-222 222



????

wedg1e

27,035 posts

294 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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You need one of these...





Seriously, I bet it's something stupid like stuck injectors; we'll soon (collectively) fix it for you....

stainless_steve

6,052 posts

287 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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samaritans

TOPTON

1,514 posts

265 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Put some more fuel in the tank. Never believe a 1/4 tank reading. Seems you checked everything else. Maybe not enough to keep fuel pressure up

>> Edited by TOPTON on Friday 28th October 19:40

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Sounds like you have proved there is a spark but no fuel. Can you get any sign of life by spraying damp start into the intake? That would confirm the ignition side is OK.

Assuming it *is* a fuel problem, I would check that when cranking there is power to the pump, and the injectors are being triggered. Then confirm that you do actually have fuel pressure. (If all else fails, just ease one of the joints on the fuel suply line after cranking, be ready for a small amount of fuel to come out under considerable pressure.) If all that looks good the ugly finger of suspicion points at the injectors, remove and test them.

uglymug

575 posts

264 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Hi Pistolar....Now! Not telling Grandma to suck eggs at all, but I have gone thru so much of this myself.
First time was the inj's were clicking instead of "clacking". Give them a good whack with a pce of bar. On the aly rail bit, ( see Wedjie's Thread )not on the inj itself or you will break it while you turn engine over.
Secondly, there is a wire coming from the starter motor which goes to the coil ( -neg side I think ). This was breaking down on mine , giving only 5-6volts. It was just getting to start, you know the sound when its just about to catch , then it would keep on turning over. I had to replace this with an inline diode and wire thru the engine bay. Then it would start first time as the coil was having the full 12v plus.
Good luck.......UG

pistolar

Original Poster:

1,474 posts

297 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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thanks boys and girls ......... was thinking on the lines of fuel .... will have another look in morning

wedgeman

1,326 posts

272 months

Saturday 29th October 2005
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Had exactly the same problem with the Elephant. It was only when Jamie at TVR Power took the injectors out & cleaned them that we found out that 5 of the 8 were solid...

Or else Pauline has pinched your rotor-arm Neil!

wedge girl

4,688 posts

268 months

Saturday 29th October 2005
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So have you got it going?

pistolar

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1,474 posts

297 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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wedge girl said:
So have you got it going?



Thanks for asking .... totally fed up with it so its going to Mowatts, hopefully this week

infinity

638 posts

313 months

Thursday 3rd November 2005
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i thought you sold that one a few years ago to two crazy dutch men.

pistolar

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297 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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Lost interest, wheeled car back into garage, snow .......... thought of spring forces me to make a crack at sorting out the starting ........ took the injectors out and took them too an injection specialist today ... result is only one is working ....yippee problem found.


next update should start with vroom vroom