400 won't start
400 won't start
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Hormone

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823 posts

266 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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Can anyone save me a bit of time?
My 400 was fine ( hit 140 on xmas day)but now it won't start.
When I turned on the ignition I used to hear a circuit energising but now it doesn't although I can still hear various relays operating. I have checked the fuses to the fuel pump & the ignition/injection & I now suspect a relay.
If you have the answer please put me out of my misery as it is always dark when I get home. At least I have the 200 to stop me getting too upset. That always works (now).
Help!!!!!

wedgeman

1,326 posts

272 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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Hi Brian,

Is the starter motor turning over?

If so then it could be the fuel pump - they do go eventually - or as you say it could be a relay. Have you had a look in your bible?

Cheers - Howard

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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You should definitely hear the pump priming for a few seconds before you turn the engine over - if its not fuse/relay, the wiring down near the pump end is fairly exposed and the connectors can get corroded. I think pumps can seize, so if its getting power, a sharp whack on the pump body might free it, but that's a last resort.

7.

Hormone

Original Poster:

823 posts

266 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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Yep, the starter is turning, i can smell fuel if i keep cranking. if i leave it it almost starts the first time i try to start then it just turns over but has no sign of ignition.

brummiewedge

5,284 posts

250 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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Have you tried the fuel pump cut off switch? Its under the bonnet, a black box on the side of the pedal box, i use it as a secret switch if i am laying the car up, up is off.

wedg1e

27,034 posts

294 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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brummiewedge said:
Have you tried the fuel pump cut off switch? Its under the bonnet, a black box on the side of the pedal box, i use it as a secret switch if i am laying the car up, up is off.


Not secret anymore, is it?

brummiewedge

5,284 posts

250 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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But we're all honest on here, are'nt we! Besides i got another one too!

jmorgan

36,010 posts

313 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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Not sure if I read this right but has it flooded? Give the plugs a good clean and bake off on the house radiator. Had this once, turning over, fuel and spark. But no bang. Dodgy earth in the end.

mikeb

2,869 posts

311 months

Saturday 31st December 2005
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Get Dickmint around with his multimeter!

....then call the AA.

MikeB

Hormone

Original Poster:

823 posts

266 months

Saturday 31st December 2005
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number 7 said:
You should definitely hear the pump priming for a few seconds before you turn the engine over - if its not fuse/relay, the wiring down near the pump end is fairly exposed and the connectors can get corroded. I think pumps can seize, so if its getting power, a sharp whack on the pump body might free it, but that's a last resort.

7.
I think the pump, or power to it, is the problem. I will investigate more when I am off tomorrow.

Hormone

Original Poster:

823 posts

266 months

Saturday 31st December 2005
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wedg1e said:
brummiewedge said:
Have you tried the fuel pump cut off switch? Its under the bonnet, a black box on the side of the pedal box, i use it as a secret switch if i am laying the car up, up is off.


Not secret anymore, is it?
I checked it & it is down. Any other ideas?

Hormone

Original Poster:

823 posts

266 months

Saturday 31st December 2005
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number 7 said:
You should definitely hear the pump priming for a few seconds before you turn the engine over - if its not fuse/relay, the wiring down near the pump end is fairly exposed and the connectors can get corroded. I think pumps can seize, so if its getting power, a sharp whack on the pump body might free it, but that's a last resort.

7.
Thanks for the advice. I have checked the fuses & relays. They are ok. I have cleaned the connections to the pump. There was an earth off but that was to a suppressor. I will try to get a meter on to it tomorrow to check that power is getting through.

Gandalf

2,381 posts

267 months

Saturday 31st December 2005
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Not sure if this is of any help, and sure you would have already elimimated this, but its not the alarm/immobiliser by any chance?

BIG DUNC

1,925 posts

252 months

Sunday 1st January 2006
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I had exactly the same with the 350i a while back. Running really nicely, then it just stopped. Had to be towed home by the better half in her diesel hatch, the shame of it!
I took a spark plug out and turned it over. It had a very strong spark so that was not the issue.
I removed the return line from the fuel regulator, and turned it over. Loads of fuel.
Then I was puzzled.
It turned out to be a relay ( I think for the fuel injection. ).
A while ago I printed off large parts of the "wedge epistles" including chapter 4, fuel system. I followed 4.1 " how do I test my FIE system". I spent a lot of time scratching my head because the location / name of my relays does not match what they should be ( I know the above was written for the SD1 ), but mine do not match what the wedge book said they should be first. In the end, I found the offending item and it only cost £2.99 plus six hours of my time to get back on the road........
I don't know whether the 400 will have a different system, but I hope the above will be of some use.
The other thing to check would be the ignition amplifier.
Hope you get it fixed, and happy new year.

BIG DUNC

1,925 posts

252 months

Sunday 1st January 2006
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With hindsight it would be quicker to pull every single relay in turn and test each one, rather than try and work out which relay does what.

hormone

Original Poster:

823 posts

266 months

Monday 2nd January 2006
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BIG DUNC said:
With hindsight it would be quicker to pull every single relay in turn and test each one, rather than try and work out which relay does what.

Thanks for that. I am waiting for the frost to melt then will have another look.
On the 400 the relays for the fuel & injection systems are seperate on the wiring loom and obvious (amazing for TVR). I have checked them so am noe looking elsewhere.
Brian

hormone

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823 posts

266 months

Monday 2nd January 2006
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Gandalf said:
Not sure if this is of any help, and sure you would have already elimimated this, but its not the alarm/immobiliser by any chance?
Nope, definately not as some tight a**se removed the alarm & imobiliser before selling it. BUT the connections to where the imobiliser was once connected
No, can't be. Couldn't be.......

BIG DUNC

1,925 posts

252 months

Monday 2nd January 2006
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Let us know what it urns out to be.

grahamw48

9,944 posts

267 months

Monday 2nd January 2006
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hormone said:
Gandalf said:
Not sure if this is of any help, and sure you would have already elimimated this, but its not the alarm/immobiliser by any chance?
Nope, definately not as some tight a**se removed the alarm & imobiliser before selling it. BUT the connections to where the imobiliser was once connected
No, can't be. Couldn't be.......


...but didn't you say the starter was operating ?

Surely immobilisers don't permit this?

On a fibreglass car I'd be checking every earth connection, and anything else 'hanging off', before anything else.
Hopefully you'll find it's something that's just come loose, especially if you've just done a high speed run.

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

290 months

Monday 2nd January 2006
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Coldstart injector disconnected electrically? (the one on plenum).
Seems that it can inject to much of the juicy stuff. And you mentioned that you are smelling petrol.

Rob