top gear tossers slag off tvr again
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I think what the Hamster was saying was that the Noble had less complicated fittings than a (modern-day) TVR. He's probably right!
Just get yourself a Ferrari 400i and then discover what slagging off is all about. These cars are perfectly good motors - even with auto trans - and yes I have one. I just have never been able to work out how and why certain journos could and have slagged them off soooo badly.
First you have one of the main contributors (whossis name - morthern chap) bought a CHEAP (£4.5k) 400i to see whether it is true that you should never buy a cheap Ferrari. He got it fixed up for little expenditure and then decided to sell it, only to report he couldn't. BUT - yes BUT .... what he didn't explain in real or proper detail was that he had declined a perfectly good deal! He just said it was unsaleable!
Then we have Quentin Willson (Quentin is bad enough, but to have such an affectation as to spell your name with 2 'l's os terminally daft) who writes a giant test comparing a 400i with a Jag MK2 3.8 and summink else (Jensen was it?). Now I mean - can you compare a Jag MK2 with a 400i. Of course, with his bias the Jag came out on top.
Then come the price estimates and valuations which the mags have been keeping down if not writing down for ages - they don't even take into account prices of cars that have actually sold! They probably want to get the prices down lower so they can get one on their meagre salaries - 4 seats, so good family car.
So there you have it - perfectly good car, just like the Wedge, slagged off by people who don't know. Do these journos actually know anything about cars. Clarkson and Willson don't.
Come and buy my 400i - it's lovely.
Sorry, sorry. Not really Wedge subject. Slight, tenuous link though.
JJ
Just get yourself a Ferrari 400i and then discover what slagging off is all about. These cars are perfectly good motors - even with auto trans - and yes I have one. I just have never been able to work out how and why certain journos could and have slagged them off soooo badly.
First you have one of the main contributors (whossis name - morthern chap) bought a CHEAP (£4.5k) 400i to see whether it is true that you should never buy a cheap Ferrari. He got it fixed up for little expenditure and then decided to sell it, only to report he couldn't. BUT - yes BUT .... what he didn't explain in real or proper detail was that he had declined a perfectly good deal! He just said it was unsaleable!
Then we have Quentin Willson (Quentin is bad enough, but to have such an affectation as to spell your name with 2 'l's os terminally daft) who writes a giant test comparing a 400i with a Jag MK2 3.8 and summink else (Jensen was it?). Now I mean - can you compare a Jag MK2 with a 400i. Of course, with his bias the Jag came out on top.
Then come the price estimates and valuations which the mags have been keeping down if not writing down for ages - they don't even take into account prices of cars that have actually sold! They probably want to get the prices down lower so they can get one on their meagre salaries - 4 seats, so good family car.
So there you have it - perfectly good car, just like the Wedge, slagged off by people who don't know. Do these journos actually know anything about cars. Clarkson and Willson don't.
Come and buy my 400i - it's lovely.
Sorry, sorry. Not really Wedge subject. Slight, tenuous link though.
JJ
Maybe if it had a Rover V8 in it... I have always really liked the 400 ferrari's, so much so, that I used to have a poster of one..lovely cars indeed.
And yes, I think the small chap was commenting on how much simpler the noble was to a tvr, however in preceeding episodes they have commented on how 'little touches' like the console mounted door handles are 'exquisite' So, quite plainly they are contradicting themselves, and inso, talking out of their arses.
And yes, I think the small chap was commenting on how much simpler the noble was to a tvr, however in preceeding episodes they have commented on how 'little touches' like the console mounted door handles are 'exquisite' So, quite plainly they are contradicting themselves, and inso, talking out of their arses.
I'll admit ot having looked at a couple of donkey 400's and i quite fancy one, although im erring to an earlier carbed one as looking under the bonnet of a 400i i see 2 of the boshe Fi systems that are on a v6 wedge 
As for top gear im sorry but if a TVR interior is too difficult for you to work out buy a mondeo, which is actually half way to a noble
As for top gear im sorry but if a TVR interior is too difficult for you to work out buy a mondeo, which is actually half way to a noble
Which TVR exactly has anything other than doors that are, well, doors? Who has overhead switches? OK, some of the modern stuff has controls made of ali and brass - hardly unobtainium - but is plastic really preferable?
The midget was out of order. Yes TVR's are a bit individual, but how the hell can parts bin plastic be better? And in the context of Noble pricing into Porsche territory, shouldn't the interior be a bit special, a bit different?
The midget was out of order. Yes TVR's are a bit individual, but how the hell can parts bin plastic be better? And in the context of Noble pricing into Porsche territory, shouldn't the interior be a bit special, a bit different?
I really feel that TVR should be commended and applauded for its innovative ways of delivering a great product. Gauges in the steering wheel - great idea. Touch system door opening - similar. Many cars sell on the detailing.
If Clarkson and the like say they have to phone their dinner party hosts to get them out of the car - that's because they haven't listened when the've been told - or (most likely) they're just after a little sensationalism in their Sunday Times article. TVR seems to lead the way with new innovations and ways of doing things differently - characteristics that were long praised when Citroen were showing the way.
Iterestingly, I think it is possible that the rear underwing on 390s etc. was probably the first use of an underbody aerodynamic downforce device on a production car. Is this correct?
It will be a very sad day indeed when TVR do everything the way of everyone else.
If Clarkson and the like say they have to phone their dinner party hosts to get them out of the car - that's because they haven't listened when the've been told - or (most likely) they're just after a little sensationalism in their Sunday Times article. TVR seems to lead the way with new innovations and ways of doing things differently - characteristics that were long praised when Citroen were showing the way.
Iterestingly, I think it is possible that the rear underwing on 390s etc. was probably the first use of an underbody aerodynamic downforce device on a production car. Is this correct?
It will be a very sad day indeed when TVR do everything the way of everyone else.
Edited by firefox1712 on Wednesday 2nd August 10:11
firefox1712 said:
I really feel that TVR should be commended and applauded for its innovative ways of delivering a great product. Guages in the steering wheel - great idea. Touch system door opening - similar. Many cars sell on the detailing.
Interestingly a frined of mine who is a buyer for aston martin said that tvr is one of the companies that they benchmark as regards interior equipment/design and layout, now before you all get excited they dont consider tvr to be a competitor
just a LEADER in interior innovation.victormeldrew said:
And in the context of Noble pricing into Porsche territory, shouldn't the interior be a bit special, a bit different?
Although in a moment of weakness I looked at some 996 porkers and apart from the base models looking bland on the outside ( the GT3 body kitted ones look ok) The Interiors were very very boring and bland, could have been a base model audi a4 so maybe thats the look noble are going for
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