Leaking oil
Leaking oil
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tvrseac

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16 posts

232 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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I have a little problem with my engine, it`s leaking oil between the cylinderheads and the engineblock. I use copper cylinderheadgaskets because compositegaskets don`t last very long(blown away).
It`s a 420 seac. Do anyone know how to solve this problem?
Regards
Jonny

ed_crouch

1,169 posts

271 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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How tight do you have the innermost row of head bolts done up??

Theres an inherent problem with all but the latest of the Rover engines, in that the 3rd (inboard) row of bolts on each head tends to jack the outer edge of the head off the block, causing fluids to mix etc due to lack of sealing.

The fix is to renew the gaskets, probably fit ARP studs, and only do the inboard row up to about 20 or so ft/lb.

The very last head castings to be produced didnt even have the holes bored for the 3rd row of bolts: its an official Rover fix.

I would think that the incompressibility of the copper gasket compared to the composite item probably exacerbates your problem. Dont get me wrong, the copper gaskets seem to be damn good, but they dont crush (thats why theyre good!), and hencewont do any gap filling if the head and block mating faces arent dead parallel.

Just my tuppen'orth...

Ed.
P.S. If this IS the issue, you may be getting oil in the water too...

GreenV8S

31,018 posts

313 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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ed_crouch said:
the 3rd (inboard) row of bolts on each head tends to jack the outer edge of the head off the block, causing fluids to mix etc due to lack of sealing.


Don't you mean the 3rd (outboard) row?

ed_crouch

1,169 posts

271 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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Errr, could be. Damned If I can remember. Ang on, lemme look at some piccies...

...


Well, b*gger me dead, youre right!

Sorry for the error: to clarify, its the OUTBOARD row of bolts that jacks the INBOARD edge of the heads off the block, causing problems.

Ed (standing corrected!).

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Sunday 6th May 2007
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As has been said, use ARP studs - and you can actually dispense with the outer row of bolts completely - I have on my 4.3 (and am using composite gaskets)

7.

tvrseac

Original Poster:

16 posts

232 months

Tuesday 8th May 2007
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bow Thanks for your replies. I`ll try with composite again, where can I find these APR studs, TVR Power maybe?
Sorry for the O/T but do anyone know what N.C.K means? It`s punched in on my engine.




Edited by tvrseac on Tuesday 8th May 17:42

andymadmak

15,628 posts

299 months

Tuesday 8th May 2007
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tvrseac said:
bow Sorry for the O/T but do anyone knows what N.C.K means? It`s stamped on my engine.




Oh, that means Now Completely Knackered. Best whip it out and sell it for scrap. Tell you what, I'll give you a tenner for it, just to help you out like.. hehe


















only joking

tvrseac

Original Poster:

16 posts

232 months

Tuesday 8th May 2007
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andymadmak said:
tvrseac said:
bow Sorry for the O/T but do anyone knows what N.C.K means? It`s stamped on my engine.




Oh, that means Now Completely Knackered. Best whip it out and sell it for scrap. Tell you what, I'll give you a tenner for it, just to help you out like.. hehe


















only joking

Oh no!!!! yikes

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

290 months

Tuesday 8th May 2007
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NCK (racing of Coventry, links with Andy Rouse?) are THE first special wedge engines. Keep it even when it is knackered, it is worth money (and more than offered). NCK became TVR Power when Peter Wheeler bought the company.

The studs can be had from the likes of RPI, V8developements, TVR Power, etc. or even ebay.

And the composite gasket will be fine (as it is better then the original and I will use it when it is time for replacement on my standard 350i), but as it is a bit thicker then original the compression ratio goes down. To compensate the heads need to be skimmed if you would like to keep all the power, or live with it as you probably barely notice and can get away way with less octane petrol in the process.

Rob

tvrseac

Original Poster:

16 posts

232 months

Tuesday 8th May 2007
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[quote=350zwelgje]NCK (racing of Coventry, links with Andy Rouse?) are THE first special wedge engines. Keep it even when it is knackered, it is worth money (and more than offered). NCK became TVR Power when Peter Wheeler bought the company.

The studs can be had from the likes of RPI, V8developements, TVR Power, etc. or even ebay.

And the composite gasket will be fine (as it is better then the original and I will use it when it is time for replacement on my standard 350i), but as it is a bit thicker then original the compression ratio goes down. To compensate the heads need to be skimmed if you would like to keep all the power, or live with it as you probably barely notice and can get away way with less octane petrol in the process.

Rob

Thanks Rob. Nice to have some facts about the engine, it`s newly renovated and works fine except the oil-leakage!!

TVR 3X

1,233 posts

296 months

Tuesday 8th May 2007
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Andy Rouse supplied the first 16 or so 390 engines, followed by John Eales (JE Engine numbers - I don't know how many) and then NCK who became TVR Power.

NCK made their name tuning MotorCycle engines.

Russ