Experienced any useful after market upgrades ?
Experienced any useful after market upgrades ?
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grahamw48

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9,944 posts

268 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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I suppose we all cruise the ebay shops in search of those wonder upgrades which promise increased performance from our (now sluggish-feeling hehe) Wedges. - Some interesting goodies on RPI and DJE sites. scratchchin

Naturally we'd have to assume the car is otherwise in good order and properly set up.

Has anyone done any mods/bolt-ons which have genuinely boosted power, without drastically increasing fuel consumption ?

My engine is a 95 Chimaera 400HC with double valve springs and 'Real Steel' 218/220 cam fitted about 6,000 miles ago (composite head gaskets).
Also matching ECU, set up for no cats

I have already removed the spare wheel, tools and targa panel from the boot. smile

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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Yes - rule number one of tuning - make sure you can get Wide Open Throttle when you press the accellerator down. But that costs nowt.

A bigger engine with a supercharger did the trick for me, dunno about the fuel consumption bit though!

After that a set of decent grippy tyres, and mintex brake pads, so you can corner and stop quickly.

pwd95

8,459 posts

268 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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grahamw48 said:
I suppose we all cruise the ebay shops in search of those wonder upgrades which promise increased performance from our (now sluggish-feeling hehe) Wedges. - Some interesting goodies on RPI and DJE sites. scratchchin

Naturally we'd have to assume the car is otherwise in good order and properly set up.

Has anyone done any mods/bolt-ons which have genuinely boosted power, without drastically increasing fuel consumption ?

My engine is a 95 Chimaera 400HC with double valve springs and 'Real Steel' 218/220 cam fitted about 6,000 miles ago (composite head gaskets).
Also matching ECU, set up for no cats

I have already removed the spare wheel, tools and targa panel from the boot. smile
You'r gonna need a bigger engine. yes

I went from a sorted 400 to a 450 & the difference in 'shove' feels huge. The longer stroke really gives these engines the grunt they need. The 500 is even stronger. yes

grahamw48

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268 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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Erm...would you consider breaking your Griff for parts ? scratchchin



( I was starting to think supercharger...so macho smile )

GV

2,366 posts

254 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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I have an Edelbrock Carb set up with a Mallory Unilte Dizzy. The car has been transformed with instant throttle response and good MPG. My plan is to switch the entire ignition to MSD with Captive Disharge with an upgrade to a new Cam but I'm not sure which one.

If the engine goes bang - I'll drop in a 4.5 using the carb set up which works even better on bigger engines.!!

grahamw48

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9,944 posts

268 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Hmm...logic would suggest to me that a correctly functioning EFI system would trounce an 'old school' carb though, (but I'd probably understand a carb better hehe) and surely that's why EFI has been widely adopted ?

On my own car, throttle response is pretty instantaneous with the hotwire EFI, so no complaints there, and easily spins the wheels in second.
She does about 20mpg in mixed driving.

I was wondering if anyone had for instance fabricated more efficient, larger diameter exhaust manifolds, like say the V8S forward facing ones ? Obviously re-routed too.

Has anyone actually had their heads properly ported and matched ?

...A kind of 'before and after' experience.

ETA..thanks for the info GV. smile

Edited by grahamw48 on Saturday 11th October 09:55

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

291 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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grahamw48 said:
Hmm...logic would suggest to me that a correctly functioning EFI system would trounce an 'old school' carb though, (but I'd probably understand a carb better hehe) and surely that's why EFI has been widely adopted ?

On my own car, throttle response is pretty instantaneous with the hotwire EFI, so no complaints there, and easily spins the wheels in second.
She does about 20mpg in mixed driving.

I was wondering if anyone had for instance fabricated more efficient, larger diameter exhaust manifolds, like say the V8S forward facing ones ? Obviously re-routed too.

Has anyone actually had their heads properly ported and matched ?

...A kind of 'before and after' experience.

ETA..thanks for the info GV. smile

Edited by grahamw48 on Saturday 11th October 09:55
On the exhaust: the setup is ok, if you go larger diameter you could reduce the back pressure to a level (that standard is already quite low on a TVR) that you loose power! So nothing to do here.

Haven't done anything to the standard 350i engine I have. Yes a K&N filter and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (which gives better throttle response and the engine feels torqueier from less than the standard 3500 revs). Plan to change the cam, use composite head and valley gaskets in the future. But other more necessary to do's get in the way and driving of course.
Think this is the only stuff worthwhile on the standard 3.5 litre engine. Gasflowing and balancing would be nice, but cost benefit wise don't think it would bring a lot.

Keeping the RV8 in good nick and not losing out of the supposed standard bhp and torque is my first....

Rob

stainless_steve

6,052 posts

288 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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350zwelgje said:
grahamw48 said:
Hmm...logic would suggest to me that a correctly functioning EFI system would trounce an 'old school' carb though, (but I'd probably understand a carb better hehe) and surely that's why EFI has been widely adopted ?

On my own car, throttle response is pretty instantaneous with the hotwire EFI, so no complaints there, and easily spins the wheels in second.
She does about 20mpg in mixed driving.

I was wondering if anyone had for instance fabricated more efficient, larger diameter exhaust manifolds, like say the V8S forward facing ones ? Obviously re-routed too.

Has anyone actually had their heads properly ported and matched ?

...A kind of 'before and after' experience.

ETA..thanks for the info GV. smile

Edited by grahamw48 on Saturday 11th October 09:55
On the exhaust: the setup is ok, if you go larger diameter you could reduce the back pressure to a level (that standard is already quite low on a TVR) that you loose power! So nothing to do here.

Haven't done anything to the standard 350i engine I have. Yes a K&N filter and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (which gives better throttle response and the engine feels torqueier from less than the standard 3500 revs). Plan to change the cam, use composite head and valley gaskets in the future. But other more necessary to do's get in the way and driving of course.
Think this is the only stuff worthwhile on the standard 3.5 litre engine. Gasflowing and balancing would be nice, but cost benefit wise don't think it would bring a lot.

Keeping the RV8 in good nick and not losing out of the supposed standard bhp and torque is my first....

Rob
The exhaust manifolds on a Wedge are not that good due to space,my old wedge engine would make another 25 horses put in a Griff.

Waynester

6,531 posts

280 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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stainless_steve said:
350zwelgje said:
grahamw48 said:
Hmm...logic would suggest to me that a correctly functioning EFI system would trounce an 'old school' carb though, (but I'd probably understand a carb better hehe) and surely that's why EFI has been widely adopted ?

On my own car, throttle response is pretty instantaneous with the hotwire EFI, so no complaints there, and easily spins the wheels in second.
She does about 20mpg in mixed driving.

I was wondering if anyone had for instance fabricated more efficient, larger diameter exhaust manifolds, like say the V8S forward facing ones ? Obviously re-routed too.

Has anyone actually had their heads properly ported and matched ?

...A kind of 'before and after' experience.

ETA..thanks for the info GV. smile

Edited by grahamw48 on Saturday 11th October 09:55
On the exhaust: the setup is ok, if you go larger diameter you could reduce the back pressure to a level (that standard is already quite low on a TVR) that you loose power! So nothing to do here.

Haven't done anything to the standard 350i engine I have. Yes a K&N filter and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (which gives better throttle response and the engine feels torqueier from less than the standard 3500 revs). Plan to change the cam, use composite head and valley gaskets in the future. But other more necessary to do's get in the way and driving of course.
Think this is the only stuff worthwhile on the standard 3.5 litre engine. Gasflowing and balancing would be nice, but cost benefit wise don't think it would bring a lot.

Keeping the RV8 in good nick and not losing out of the supposed standard bhp and torque is my first....

Rob
The exhaust manifolds on a Wedge are not that good due to space,my old wedge engine would make another 25 horses put in a Griff.
I think Steve Heath makes a point of saying this in the Bible too.
Manifolds are just to close to the chassis to allow for any larger bored pipework.

grahamw48

Original Poster:

9,944 posts

268 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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That's why I was wondering if anyone had tried forward exiting ones, as in later TVRs. smile

stainless_steve

6,052 posts

288 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Waynester said:
stainless_steve said:
350zwelgje said:
grahamw48 said:
Hmm...logic would suggest to me that a correctly functioning EFI system would trounce an 'old school' carb though, (but I'd probably understand a carb better hehe) and surely that's why EFI has been widely adopted ?

On my own car, throttle response is pretty instantaneous with the hotwire EFI, so no complaints there, and easily spins the wheels in second.
She does about 20mpg in mixed driving.

I was wondering if anyone had for instance fabricated more efficient, larger diameter exhaust manifolds, like say the V8S forward facing ones ? Obviously re-routed too.

Has anyone actually had their heads properly ported and matched ?

...A kind of 'before and after' experience.

ETA..thanks for the info GV. smile

Edited by grahamw48 on Saturday 11th October 09:55
On the exhaust: the setup is ok, if you go larger diameter you could reduce the back pressure to a level (that standard is already quite low on a TVR) that you loose power! So nothing to do here.

Haven't done anything to the standard 350i engine I have. Yes a K&N filter and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (which gives better throttle response and the engine feels torqueier from less than the standard 3500 revs). Plan to change the cam, use composite head and valley gaskets in the future. But other more necessary to do's get in the way and driving of course.
Think this is the only stuff worthwhile on the standard 3.5 litre engine. Gasflowing and balancing would be nice, but cost benefit wise don't think it would bring a lot.

Keeping the RV8 in good nick and not losing out of the supposed standard bhp and torque is my first....

Rob
The exhaust manifolds on a Wedge are not that good due to space,my old wedge engine would make another 25 horses put in a Griff.
I think Steve Heath makes a point of saying this in the Bible too.
Manifolds are just to close to the chassis to allow for any larger bored pipework.
Had a chat with Tim about it,only way would be to cut the chassis,not something i was prepaired to do to a SEAC.

grahamw48

Original Poster:

9,944 posts

268 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Then again, looking on here...maybe the Wedge narrower pipes aren't such a bad thing...certainly up to 300bhp (which few Wedges will reach in the real world).

http://www.mez.co.uk/TuningTheRoverV8-intro.html

jmorgan

36,010 posts

314 months

Sunday 12th October 2008
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Wouldn't say it was a boost but had the DJE plenum insulator. He did build the engine so already have the bells and whistles wink

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Sunday 12th October 2008
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stainless_steve said:
Waynester said:
stainless_steve said:
350zwelgje said:
grahamw48 said:
Hmm...logic would suggest to me that a correctly functioning EFI system would trounce an 'old school' carb though, (but I'd probably understand a carb better hehe) and surely that's why EFI has been widely adopted ?

On my own car, throttle response is pretty instantaneous with the hotwire EFI, so no complaints there, and easily spins the wheels in second.
She does about 20mpg in mixed driving.

I was wondering if anyone had for instance fabricated more efficient, larger diameter exhaust manifolds, like say the V8S forward facing ones ? Obviously re-routed too.

Has anyone actually had their heads properly ported and matched ?

...A kind of 'before and after' experience.

ETA..thanks for the info GV. smile

Edited by grahamw48 on Saturday 11th October 09:55
On the exhaust: the setup is ok, if you go larger diameter you could reduce the back pressure to a level (that standard is already quite low on a TVR) that you loose power! So nothing to do here.

Haven't done anything to the standard 350i engine I have. Yes a K&N filter and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (which gives better throttle response and the engine feels torqueier from less than the standard 3500 revs). Plan to change the cam, use composite head and valley gaskets in the future. But other more necessary to do's get in the way and driving of course.
Think this is the only stuff worthwhile on the standard 3.5 litre engine. Gasflowing and balancing would be nice, but cost benefit wise don't think it would bring a lot.

Keeping the RV8 in good nick and not losing out of the supposed standard bhp and torque is my first....

Rob
The exhaust manifolds on a Wedge are not that good due to space,my old wedge engine would make another 25 horses put in a Griff.
I think Steve Heath makes a point of saying this in the Bible too.
Manifolds are just to close to the chassis to allow for any larger bored pipework.
Had a chat with Tim about it,only way would be to cut the chassis,not something i was prepaired to do to a SEAC.
Here is a shot of a 4 into 1 from an owner at the BBWF .. I think Mike B had it made. Anything is possible but it often takes a lot of time ££££ and can result in compromises (ground clearance of the collector being 1 of them)..





Weird someone bought this up - as I've just spend all day with a guy who's company used to make the exhausts for all TVR's .. (Blue Flame) ..

Done 500 miles in one day ..

Edited by rev-erend on Sunday 12th October 21:20

Waynester

6,531 posts

280 months

Sunday 12th October 2008
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Nice chunky manifold pipes but that collector looks really vunerable. Could almost do with a bash plate!

The only mod's my SEAC has fitted is the ACT carbon plenum & trumpets. I don't know tbh what difference this makes...I'm guessing flowing more air..therefore more fuel, = more power, + higher fuel consumption.

Currently also having the chaps down at Barnet fitting my shiny new ACT exhaust system. smile


Can't believe i've missed this weekends glorious weather.grumpy



Edited by Waynester on Sunday 12th October 21:40

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Waynester said:
Can't believe i've missed this weekends glorious weather.grumpy



Edited by Waynester on Sunday 12th October 21:40
What happened - did you sleep through it ?

grahamw48

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9,944 posts

268 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Out and about in the countryside yesterday, and suddenly there's a Red 400/450SE coming round the bend towards me! eek Gave each other a wave, but nowhere safe to stop.

Wedges are rare as hens' teeth around these parts.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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I drove 500 miles on Sunday and only saw a few TVR's .. and that was in and around Blackpool.

None spotted anywhere else.

Chassis 33

6,194 posts

312 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Try giving Leigh a bell re. forward pointing exhaust manifolds, that what his racer has, dunno if it only fits cos of the lift off front end though.
If you want to get more grunt, try ditching the AFM setup for something that doesnt require one.
Regards
Iain

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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grahamw48 said:
That's why I was wondering if anyone had tried forward exiting ones, as in later TVRs. smile
I've done this to my race car.

you should be able to see them in some of the pics on this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...