jump starting 350i
jump starting 350i
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Pilo-Wedgebits

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621 posts

241 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Is there any precautions to take when jump starting a 350i

carob

3,585 posts

241 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Not sure what the effects are, but i am sure i was told or read somewhere that it could be detrimentle to the ecu.

Sure the term was "spike the ecu"

Someone will come along and explain.

Rob

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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I've done it quite a few times, no problems.

pwd95

8,459 posts

268 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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I think Rob is chasing up the right tree, not 100% sure myself. The few times I've done it I've got it trying to crank on the key, then let the clutch out to 'help' the procedure. thumbup

Pilo-Wedgebits

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Monday 9th November 2009
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Thanks guys - jumping with leads as opposed to bump starting

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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I've done both types of jumping!

When bump starting I find 4th gear is best.

Jump starting just take the usual precautions: + to+ etc.

Pilo-Wedgebits

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Monday 9th November 2009
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Hi adam
Did all that and worked fine but was told that using leads would damage ecu

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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Not in my experience - done it on 3 different wedges to date. Honest J - have you ever heard of this on EFi SDi's?

honestjohntoo

576 posts

246 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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The short answer is "No Problemo"! Why?

I dont believe it could ever be a problem, after all, when the two batteries are put together correctly (ignition off) the good battery will start to charge-up the empty one and the two voltages will immediately stabilize to what ever it wants to be, depending upon the "state of charge" of both batteries.

Now, when the ignition is switched on, the car electronics will see a slightly "lower than normal voltage" (12 cell) battery, rareing to go.

The voltage on cranking will still drop to about 9-10 volts, there will be no voltage spikes of any significance OTHER THAN those normally induced around the LT coil circuit and the car is protected from them anyway, by the local ignition suppression condenser and the massive inertia of the battery circuit.

So, apart from old wife myths perpetrated by garages, who want scare off the "tyro" jump-starting person so they get more breakdown spondulics, the "worry" as described is unfounded.

Now, I do believe, you cannot do this with modern cars because their AirBag ECU's sit there, live, on a flat battery and can be triggerered by a rapid change in battery voltage.

Ooops!


GRIFFONMARK

199 posts

237 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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I had no problem jump starting my 350i wedge. It fired up straight away. I'd had a problem starting it on a twin battery set up after leaving it stood for a month. It turned over so much it totally flooded, washed the bores with petrol and lost compression. Needed a tot of oil down each plug hole and a tow start to produce clouds of smoke which cleared after a spin round the block. Causing problems with the electrics by towing is nonsense.

Pilo-Wedgebits

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Tuesday 10th November 2009
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Cheers guys deep down I thought it was tosh but thought I'd ask

Wedg1e

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295 months

Wednesday 11th November 2009
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I think the stories kicked off in the late 80s when there was a large expansion in the used-car market (and, coincidentally, an increase in engine management-equipped cars). Lots of large car lots full of cheap bangers mostly bought at auction. What would often happen is that Joe Punter would come in to look at that Bargain! BMW 635CSi - only £50! and of course it wouldn't start because it had been stood so long the battery was completely dead, ie unrecoverable. So Simple Simon, the boss's favourite, would wheel the boost charger over and connect up. Unfortunately most of those big powerpacks were of lamentably poor design, essentially just a transformer and big rectifier, no voltage regulation. As any fule know, the full-wave rectified output of a transformer is somewhat higher than the secondary winding, ESPECIALLY off-load. So when you turn the ignition on, for the few seconds before you turn the key, the voltage hitting the ECU could be as high as 22v, more than the onboard regulator was designed to cope with, and it was THAT spike that took out ECUs. If the battery was merely 'flat', the load applied to the booster as it started to take charge current would bring the voltage down to something acceptable, so no ECU problems.

Jumping from another car, as HJ2 says, should produce no nasties. The impedance of a lead-acid battery is very low, so any voltage peaks would be swallowed by the battery. A completely dead battery, however, won't offer this protection, but as long as the 'jump' vehicle is running properly its charging system should cope with the electrical load of the dead car as if it were its own. If that makes sense biggrin