Baby Veyron potential?

[hewlett]

I've always liked small mid engined cars and..

http://www.javansportscars.com/index.htm

With a roof made of carbon fibre, the honda engine taken to it's maximum with a supercharger (400bhp?).

670kg + 400bhp = 597bhp/tonne, there's been nothing on PH about this Co since 2006 as far as I can see.



£20K + £5K for a supercharger and it's faster than a Veyron (ish)

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=747

[hewlett]

Interesting, 450bhp and more is possible:

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0802_turp_20...

[John D.]

Not sure I believe the 3.6sec 0-62mph time. Even with mega power to weight that is some serious traction off the line.

Personally I'd rather have a Honda'd or Audi'd S1 Elise for my £30k. They weigh around 700kg with a K-Series.

Very Baby Veyron if it tops out at 140mph!

[hewlett]

www.pistonheads.com/sales/1325579.htm

much better idea John!

[nonuts]

The 3.2 is a daft idea in an elise IMO. You'd be way better off with 260-270 bhp from a stock 1.8T. Good effort for trying though.

[hewlett]

Hmmm, you can get a lot of power from those Golf engines, 742bhp in this instance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PbTmjLfZnM

1000bhp/tonne? I guess you'd need slightly larger rear wheels

[nonuts]

You'd have SERIOUS cooling issues in an Elise with anything that silly IMO. You can get 450bhp+ bhp out of the 1.8 if you really want but again cooling will get silly.

[John D.]

nonuts said:

The 3.2 is a daft idea in an elise IMO. You'd be way better off with 260-270 bhp from a stock 1.8T. Good effort for trying though.

I agree. 3.2 is too heavy and high in the chassis. Sounds fantastic though and I have seen footage of it going round Brands at a fair old lick.

Personally I think 200-odd bhp from a CTR/Duratec lump would be quite adequate and serious fun in an Elise. I just feel the character of an NA engine would suit the car better for some reason (not that I have any first hand experience to back this up).

[nonuts]

You're probably right John, I think if the M3 had the torque delivery of the S3 I'd have spun backwards into a ditch at very high speed by now... so I'm all for NA power and the flat torque curves!

[vxsmithers]

John D. said:

nonuts said:

The 3.2 is a daft idea in an elise IMO. You'd be way better off with 260-270 bhp from a stock 1.8T. Good effort for trying though.

I agree. 3.2 is too heavy and high in the chassis. Sounds fantastic though and I have seen footage of it going round Brands at a fair old lick.

Personally I think 200-odd bhp from a CTR/Duratec lump would be quite adequate and serious fun in an Elise. I just feel the character of an NA engine would suit the car better for some reason (not that I have any first hand experience to back this up).

not quite an apples with apples comparison as I have a VX (but close enough), partial throttle is the only real downside of a turbo in such a light car, gets a little unsettled, but then I only noticed this at 300bhp (and 320lb ft), was fine at 200bhp

BTW 200 horses got boring very quickly

Given the choice again, I'd have supercharged a vx rather than buy a turbo, maybe a touch slower but smoother

Edited by vxsmithers on Tuesday 27th April 23:20

[John D.]

vxsmithers said:

John D. said:

nonuts said:

The 3.2 is a daft idea in an elise IMO. You'd be way better off with 260-270 bhp from a stock 1.8T. Good effort for trying though.

I agree. 3.2 is too heavy and high in the chassis. Sounds fantastic though and I have seen footage of it going round Brands at a fair old lick.

Personally I think 200-odd bhp from a CTR/Duratec lump would be quite adequate and serious fun in an Elise. I just feel the character of an NA engine would suit the car better for some reason (not that I have any first hand experience to back this up).

not quite an apples with apples comparison as I have a VX (but close enough), partial throttle is the only real downside of a turbo in such a light car, gets a little unsettled, but then I only noticed this at 300bhp (and 320lb ft), was fine at 200bhp

BTW 200 horses got boring very quickly

Given the choice again, I'd have supercharged a vx rather than buy a turbo, maybe a touch slower but smoother

Edited by vxsmithers on Tuesday 27th April 23:20

Thats 200 horses pulling an extra 100kg in your VX though

I do realise that one can become accustomed to any level of power. Quite happy with a mere 160bhp myself!

[funwithrevs]

John D. said:

Not sure I believe the 3.6sec 0-62mph time. Even with mega power to weight that is some serious traction off the line.

Personally I'd rather have a Honda'd or Audi'd S1 Elise for my £30k. They weigh around 700kg with a K-Series.

Very Baby Veyron if it tops out at 140mph!

I notice the Elise article on the PH front page says the 700kg weight is a dry weight, ie a bit of a fib. Well my cars need oil, petrol etc anyway

[John D.]

funwithrevs said:

John D. said:

Not sure I believe the 3.6sec 0-62mph time. Even with mega power to weight that is some serious traction off the line.

Personally I'd rather have a Honda'd or Audi'd S1 Elise for my £30k. They weigh around 700kg with a K-Series.

Very Baby Veyron if it tops out at 140mph!

I notice the Elise article on the PH front page says the 700kg weight is a dry weight, ie a bit of a fib. Well my cars need oil, petrol etc anyway

I'm talking about an S1 Elise not an S2/VX220 or an S2 facelift as is on the PH front page. They have put on weight over the years, partly by the adoption of Toyota engines. Thats why I mentioned the K-series.

I've witnessed a fully road ready S1 Elise being weighed on corner weights and it was around the 700kg figure (I say around as my memory is st).

[vxsmithers]

John D. said:

vxsmithers said:

John D. said:

nonuts said:

The 3.2 is a daft idea in an elise IMO. You'd be way better off with 260-270 bhp from a stock 1.8T. Good effort for trying though.

I agree. 3.2 is too heavy and high in the chassis. Sounds fantastic though and I have seen footage of it going round Brands at a fair old lick.

Personally I think 200-odd bhp from a CTR/Duratec lump would be quite adequate and serious fun in an Elise. I just feel the character of an NA engine would suit the car better for some reason (not that I have any first hand experience to back this up).

not quite an apples with apples comparison as I have a VX (but close enough), partial throttle is the only real downside of a turbo in such a light car, gets a little unsettled, but then I only noticed this at 300bhp (and 320lb ft), was fine at 200bhp

BTW 200 horses got boring very quickly

Given the choice again, I'd have supercharged a vx rather than buy a turbo, maybe a touch slower but smoother

Edited by vxsmithers on Tuesday 27th April 23:20

Thats 200 horses pulling an extra 100kg in your VX though

I do realise that one can become accustomed to any level of power. Quite happy with a mere 160bhp myself!

Touche!

S160 is claimed to be 715kgs, and mine is just over 900, so will be giving away a little more than 100kgs, but I would take Lotus weight claim with a pinch of salt - they were aiming for 550kgs so missed that by a mile!