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It seems 67k has taken its toll on the turbo on my Focus & its just starting to pass a bit of oil.
Seems silly not to upgrade as it's the same money anyway.
Best deal i have been offered so far is Pumaspeeds GT28 conversion package which includes turbo, actuator, downpipe, fitting kit & tubular manifold with the cherry on the cake being they can upgrade my Dreamscience to the correct maps for a potential 320bhp
Priced at 2k.
Anyone on here have experiance of this or have other suggestions??
In no real rush tbh as dont use the car that much & as stated in earlier post its still making 257bhp
I just want to make the right choice.
Seems silly not to upgrade as it's the same money anyway.
Best deal i have been offered so far is Pumaspeeds GT28 conversion package which includes turbo, actuator, downpipe, fitting kit & tubular manifold with the cherry on the cake being they can upgrade my Dreamscience to the correct maps for a potential 320bhp
Priced at 2k.
Anyone on here have experiance of this or have other suggestions??
In no real rush tbh as dont use the car that much & as stated in earlier post its still making 257bhp
I just want to make the right choice.Hi Neil,
Sorry to hear about your turbo, although as you say it's a good excuse for an upgrade!
I would say the kit looks OK apart from the Milltek manifold, which I would steer clear of if I were you. There's been many people who've had them crack after not very long due to poor welding.
I'd suggest trying to get either a Blueflame manifold which has just come out and is around the same price as the Milltek at about £650. Or, go for a Primary Designs which is obviously much more expensive but is the best there is.
Don't forget to get whatever manifold you get ceramic coated to keep the under bonnet temps down!
Did check out the forums for the quality of the manifold & it seems that Miltek are aware of the problem as the way they are manufactured & welded has changed. There warranty is 2 years 80000km so i guess they are pretty confident that the problem is sorted.
Where did you get yours coated & what did it cost?
Where did you get yours coated & what did it cost?
Edited by neiljohnson on Wednesday 17th September 07:10
You have two options for ceramic coating - Zircotec which will cost you around £210 and is the most exotic due to its links with F1, or Camcoat which costs around £140 which is also used in motorsport such as rallying etc. I ended up going for Camcoat and have been very pleased with it, and the top black coating seems to be more durable than that used by Zircotec (which is a white ceramic coating then painted black).
Hi Neil
Well you know the spec i had on my last RS....
Forget the manifold unless you want 340-350bhp, i used the standard manifold and made 320 easy.
As for the 2k mmmmm, after seeing all the recipts from my car i would say that is good money.... But if that is a fitted price that is probaly about right.
Just remember that the standard clutch will probaly about a month before blowing up, paddle clutch required. And a boost controller will be a must and will make the power smoother and more controlable.
Regards
Tom aka Zippy
Well you know the spec i had on my last RS....
Forget the manifold unless you want 340-350bhp, i used the standard manifold and made 320 easy.
As for the 2k mmmmm, after seeing all the recipts from my car i would say that is good money.... But if that is a fitted price that is probaly about right.
Just remember that the standard clutch will probaly about a month before blowing up, paddle clutch required. And a boost controller will be a must and will make the power smoother and more controlable.
Regards
Tom aka Zippy
The Miltek manifold issue HAS NOT been resolved amicably for the large number of customers on the RSOC who have suffered from the cracking primaries & in some cases HAVE NOT even been repaired properly by Pumaspeed - there are also a very large number of people on the forums who are not at all impressed with Pumaspeeds customer service with regards to those matters
The so called "Miltek" manifold is also NOT made by Miltek & Miltek themselves will NOT warranty the manifold.
The so called "Miltek" manifold is also NOT made by Miltek & Miltek themselves will NOT warranty the manifold.
Oh bugger back to square one then. The 2k is not fitted i work in a garage so wont pay anyone to do something i can myself
So then any suggestions? The car needs a turbo, the Pumaspeed kit is attractive as its comprehensive but after hearing on here about the manifold woes im not so sure & maybe it seems like it might be a bit overpriced
Just to add Tom ur fiesta looks nice but wrong colour im afraid as she wants a blue one (typical woman)
So then any suggestions? The car needs a turbo, the Pumaspeed kit is attractive as its comprehensive but after hearing on here about the manifold woes im not so sure & maybe it seems like it might be a bit overpriced
Just to add Tom ur fiesta looks nice but wrong colour im afraid as she wants a blue one (typical woman)
Edited by neiljohnson on Wednesday 17th September 20:48
Edited by neiljohnson on Thursday 18th September 07:34
neiljohnson said:
Sorry whats the pd hybrid turbo ???????
Primary Designs is the company - they are primarily involved in production of exhausts, manifolds, etc, etc for motorsport but also develop items for fast/performance road use such as the Focus RS, Focus ST, etc - PD are who supplied the manifold for my FRS & also built a custom race spec exhaust system for it as well Here's their webpage - http://www.pdperformance.co.uk/
neiljohnson said:
Sounds good will give them a call & see what they say. How much power is urs running then?
After recently having mine run in & remapped its making 416bhp @ the fly / 354.5bhp @ the wheels / 434 lbft torque @ 32 psi - thats with a gt28 hybrid turbo supplied via SCC Performance in St Albans who've done all the custom work on my carThis section of their website gives you an idea of what they offer - http://www.sccperformance.com/sccperf.asp
That said however its had loads of custom work done on it to make that power so headwork, bottom end rebored to 2.1, pistons, rods, custom inlet, custom air/air intercooler, custom throttle body, Autronic SM4 ecu, etc, etc
Standard FRS internals of the engine, etc are fine up to about 360/370bhp without probs & in most cases either with a hybrid of the gt25 or gt28 turbo that will be setup to run approx 330/340bhp then an upgraded bluefin (which PD refer to as their PD330 map i believe) will generally be fine to cover the mapping side of things although uprating the fuel pump & if necessary the fuel pressure regulator can benefit the fuelling side of things
Neil,
I can confirm that Alex's car has had a SERIOUS amount of work done to it and is an absolute beast! Hopefully he'll take it on track next year..
The PD and SCC hybrid kits have had many happy customers and I've seen plenty of cars with the SCC kit running 320-330Bhp on the rollers. Each kit will cost you though once you factor in the Hybrid Turbo, Boost Controller, Manifold and new Down Pipe (for the SCC kit), but will be very impressive. Give Pat at PD or Rob at SCC a call and they'll tell you all you need to know.
Another option would be to get another standard turbo or the Turbo Technics Hybrid and run a Forge Actuator direct. This will be relatively cheap and will not require an updated map. As you know, mine has this set up (on the original turbo) and runs 291Bhp/320Ibft, with the actuator set up for a safe 20PSI peak and approx 16PSI at the top end.
Once my car is back on the road in just over a weeks time with nice new tyres, brakes and suspension I could always meet up with you so you can see what you think of mine?
Jeff
I can confirm that Alex's car has had a SERIOUS amount of work done to it and is an absolute beast! Hopefully he'll take it on track next year..
The PD and SCC hybrid kits have had many happy customers and I've seen plenty of cars with the SCC kit running 320-330Bhp on the rollers. Each kit will cost you though once you factor in the Hybrid Turbo, Boost Controller, Manifold and new Down Pipe (for the SCC kit), but will be very impressive. Give Pat at PD or Rob at SCC a call and they'll tell you all you need to know.
Another option would be to get another standard turbo or the Turbo Technics Hybrid and run a Forge Actuator direct. This will be relatively cheap and will not require an updated map. As you know, mine has this set up (on the original turbo) and runs 291Bhp/320Ibft, with the actuator set up for a safe 20PSI peak and approx 16PSI at the top end.
Once my car is back on the road in just over a weeks time with nice new tyres, brakes and suspension I could always meet up with you so you can see what you think of mine?
Jeff
Maybe a good idea Jeff im just getting more confused with the more i read i dont want loads & loads of power as i still want the car to be useable & reliable.
Gonna have a chat with Scc and see what they suggest.
Just to add Alex i really like the carbon fibre look front grill, is that a custom job or an off the shelf item?
Gonna have a chat with Scc and see what they suggest.
Just to add Alex i really like the carbon fibre look front grill, is that a custom job or an off the shelf item?
Edited by neiljohnson on Sunday 21st September 20:46
neiljohnson said:
Just to add Alex i really like the carbon fibre look front grill, is that a custom job or an off the shelf item?
Hi Neil - its a custom one off made by a local carbon/trim specialist alongside some other custom carbon bits as well Re SCC - Rob (who owns SCC) is off as his wife has just had a child & i think the 3 guys that are left are a bit snowed under @ the mo with work but i'm sure they will call you back or get Rob to call you when he's available
Neil,
Give me another week to bed my brakes in properly and then we'll sort out meeting up. I reckon your main options are:
1. New standard turbo, Forge actuator either connected directly or controlled with boost controller. Will see an easy 280Bhp/315Ib/ft and will have the least lag but will run out of steam at 5.5K. Adding a manifold will help.
2. As above but with a live map such as Unichip controlling the standard boost solenoid instead of having a boost controller. Same benefits (low lag) but with more ability to have a better top end. May be difficult to get a decent tuner around our way who does Unichip though. Manifold will also be required to get the best out of it.
3. Hybrid/GT28 kit from someone like PD or SCC. Will need uprated turbo, manifold, boost controller and uprated DS map (or a live map again). Will have more lag but will have a much stronger top end.
As you know I have option 1 and think it's a great compromise for daily driving - low lag, good spread of torque, decent top end and safe boost levels.
Remind me in a weeks time and we'll meet up.
Jeff
Give me another week to bed my brakes in properly and then we'll sort out meeting up. I reckon your main options are:
1. New standard turbo, Forge actuator either connected directly or controlled with boost controller. Will see an easy 280Bhp/315Ib/ft and will have the least lag but will run out of steam at 5.5K. Adding a manifold will help.
2. As above but with a live map such as Unichip controlling the standard boost solenoid instead of having a boost controller. Same benefits (low lag) but with more ability to have a better top end. May be difficult to get a decent tuner around our way who does Unichip though. Manifold will also be required to get the best out of it.
3. Hybrid/GT28 kit from someone like PD or SCC. Will need uprated turbo, manifold, boost controller and uprated DS map (or a live map again). Will have more lag but will have a much stronger top end.
As you know I have option 1 and think it's a great compromise for daily driving - low lag, good spread of torque, decent top end and safe boost levels.
Remind me in a weeks time and we'll meet up.
Jeff
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