59 plate Focus with w***er lights?

[Gareth350]

Just seen a 59 Focus with an old guy driving it & it had the Audi type led w***er lights in an 'L' shape down by the front fog lights?

Surely this is not what Ford are doing now are they?

Cant believe this old guy in a brand new Focus has stuck them on?!

It was a silver Titaniam!

[neiljohnson]

Daytime running lights are becoming a legal requirement so your going to see a lot more

[Gareth350]

Ah, i see! Really didn't suit it though! Can understand if it was a younger guy who had stuck them on, just seemed odd as it was def factory fit as no sidelights in the headlamp itself!

[Arun_D]

No current UK spec Focus has LED daytime running lights as standard that I know of. Definitely nothing on the Ford website, inc the Titanium.

In any case, any car with DRL's should still have sidelights as DRL's are not a replacement of these.

Sounds distinctly aftermarket, however well finished it may have looked.

The 2010 galaxy however, has exactly these.

Edited by Arun_D on Wednesday 27th January 10:59

[Vipers]

No reason why an older person should change their tasts in motoring though?

[Gareth350]

Vipers said:

No reason why an older person should change their tasts in motoring though?

Very possible!

[mrmr96]

Arun_D said:

any car with DRL's should still have sidelights as DRL's are not a replacement of these.

What's the difference then?

[Arun_D]

A small point is that DRLS aren't used in conjunction with the rear light illumination(unless you're Volvo), so you'll still have to turn on your sidelights in the evening for rear illumination.

Prob just me being a pedant, but I was pretty sure that standard fit DRl's didn't delete sidelights.

Still quite confused as to what Gareth saw!

Edited by Arun_D on Wednesday 27th January 11:33

[Gareth350]

Arun_D said:

A small point is that DRLS aren't used in conjunction with the rear light illumination(unless you're Volvo), so you'll still have to turn on your sidelights in the evening for rear illumination.

Prob just me being a pedant, but I was pretty sure that standard fit DRl's didn't delete sidelights.

Still quite confused as to what Gareth saw!

Edited by Arun_D on Wednesday 27th January 11:33

That would explain why the sidelights weren't on as it was daylight & only saw from the front.

[Vipers]

Side lights are a legal requirement. Unless the law has been changed, if so, I am sure someone will enlighten us.

Do you remember the old land rovers, headlights either side of the grill, and side lights on the wings, as far as I can remember, side lights are require to show the width of the vehicle, whereas headlights dont have to be on the side of the vehicle, but of course these days they are.

Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 27th January 12:59

[LuS1fer]

Vipers said:

Side lights are a legal requirement. Unless the law has been changed, if so, I am sure someone will enlighten us.

Do you remember the old land rovers, headlights either side of the grill, and side lights on the wings, as far as I can remember, side lights are require to show the width of the vehicle, whereas headlights dont have to be on the side of the vehicle, but of course these days they are.

Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 27th January 12:59

No, sidelights are frequently on the inside lamps of most headlight units and on my Corvette, they were in the air intake. Though you require sidelights, where you have them is very lax.

[mrmr96]

LuS1fer said:

Vipers said:

Side lights are a legal requirement. Unless the law has been changed, if so, I am sure someone will enlighten us.

Do you remember the old land rovers, headlights either side of the grill, and side lights on the wings, as far as I can remember, side lights are require to show the width of the vehicle, whereas headlights dont have to be on the side of the vehicle, but of course these days they are.

Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 27th January 12:59

No, sidelights are frequently on the inside lamps of most headlight units and on my Corvette, they were in the air intake. Though you require sidelights, where you have them is very lax.

Not sure if I agree with that either. Some cars they are on the inboard side of the cluster and some they are on the outboard side. However there was a period of history where some cars had headlights (main beams) in the middle (yes, front middle) of the car. These could be mistaken for bikes at night so presumably side lights do mark the sides of the car - it's just there is some room for manouver - presumably they must be no more than, say x milimeters from the side of the car.

[Vipers]

LuS1fer said:

Vipers said:

Side lights are a legal requirement. Unless the law has been changed, if so, I am sure someone will enlighten us.

Do you remember the old land rovers, headlights either side of the grill, and side lights on the wings, as far as I can remember, side lights are require to show the width of the vehicle, whereas headlights dont have to be on the side of the vehicle, but of course these days they are.

Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 27th January 12:59

No, sidelights are frequently on the inside lamps of most headlight units and on my Corvette, they were in the air intake. Though you require sidelights, where you have them is very lax.

Corvette, not a UK model, so may not be applicable, I am pretty sure my little grey cells are correct, would be nice to clarity this small, but intreging point, c'mon Von, do tell.

[Gareth350]

From MOT >>>>"...lamps required by regulations to be fitted to a vehicle to indicate its presence and width when viewed from the front. They must show a steady white light to the front, or a yellow light, if incorporated in a headlamp which emits yellow light. The light must be visible from a reasonable distance...."

From another thread, so not sure if totally correct!

[Vipers]

Gareth350 said:

From MOT >>>>"...lamps required by regulations to be fitted to a vehicle to indicate its presence and width when viewed from the front. They must show a steady white light to the front, or a yellow light, if incorporated in a headlamp which emits yellow light. The light must be visible from a reasonable distance...."

From another thread, so not sure if totally correct!

Sums it up nicely then, tks.

[LuS1fer]

mrmr96 said:

LuS1fer said:

Vipers said:

Side lights are a legal requirement. Unless the law has been changed, if so, I am sure someone will enlighten us.

Do you remember the old land rovers, headlights either side of the grill, and side lights on the wings, as far as I can remember, side lights are require to show the width of the vehicle, whereas headlights dont have to be on the side of the vehicle, but of course these days they are.

No, sidelights are frequently on the inside lamps of most headlight units and on my Corvette, they were in the air intake. Though you require sidelights, where you have them is very lax.

Not sure if I agree with that either. Some cars they are on the inboard side of the cluster and some they are on the outboard side. However there was a period of history where some cars had headlights (main beams) in the middle (yes, front middle) of the car. These could be mistaken for bikes at night so presumably side lights do mark the sides of the car - it's just there is some room for manouver - presumably they must be no more than, say x milimeters from the side of the car.

Yes, I'm not suggesting you can have them anywhere at all but the regs require paired sets on cars with a maximum of 400mm from the sides of the car though it used to be 510mm on pre-'86 cars with a maximum height of 1500mm (2300mm pre-86)with no statutory size or wattage. On vehicles requiring a single light, it has to be on the centre or offside. My point, therefore, is simply that it doesn't and never has defined the width of the vehicle.
"Side" is not defined in the regs so is open to interpretation as far as I can see (given most cars curve inwards at the front to some degree.

Side marker lamps are a different type of lamp and apply to long vehicles principally and have to be amber (or red if within 1m of the rear of the vehicle).

So I agree they give some clue as to type and width of the vehicle but 4cm is 4cm and doesn't even include the wing mirror so they can hardly be relied upon as a width indicator.

[Vipers]

LuS1fer said:

So I agree they give some clue as to type and width of the vehicle but 4cm is 4cm and doesn't even include the wing mirror so they can hardly be relied upon as a width indicator.

Bearing in mind lots of rules and regulations came out probably over 60 years ago, and have never been amended. Bit like the Hackney cabs having to carry a bale of hay on the roof, or has this one been knocked on the head?

Oh well, one of life's little mysteries then.

[Gareth350]

Vipers said:

LuS1fer said:

So I agree they give some clue as to type and width of the vehicle but 4cm is 4cm and doesn't even include the wing mirror so they can hardly be relied upon as a width indicator.

Bearing in mind lots of rules and regulations came out probably over 60 years ago, and have never been amended. Bit like the Hackney cabs having to carry a bale of hay on the roof, or has this one been knocked on the head?

Oh well, one of life's little mysteries then.

All the cabs around here carry bales of hay on the roof still!!

Edited by Gareth350 on Thursday 28th January 13:37

[y2blade]

I saw a blue Version7 impreza with Audi W---ker lights last night. A diagonal strip of LEDs along the top edge of the headlight clusters

what a tit

[LuS1fer]

Look, let's get this straight.

Fog lights are w****r lights.

These will have to be toss*r lights.