Sidepipes
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dinkel

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27,767 posts

287 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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The 12 had sidepipes.

Any chance in TVR design to come back? I love it. I guess there is the heat problem near all the plastics.

griff2be

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296 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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The Tuscan Challenge cars have side pipes and yes, heat is a problem.

In the race cars we have to heavily insulate the exhaust tunnel as otherwise the heat goes directly into the compartment containing the fuel tank and pumps. Warm fuel = less power.

On the raod car conversions when the fuel tank is moved to the back of the car, the problem then becomes passenger comfort.

I know Grant Tuscan on here had complaints from passengers about the heat, and we spent some time the weekend before Combe putting more heat reflective material in there to reduce the problem.

The biggest problem for a road car is the size of the sill required to accomodate the exhausts. On the Tuscan we ended up with a half door - which is fine for a race car, but not so acceptable for a road car.

dinkel

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Thursday 1st July 2004
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Corvette and Bill Dixon's Cheetah had sidepipes. Donkervoort has very nice pipes. A bit too naked for a Cerbie.

Vipers, old Firebirds. It's a bit US-stylee. But hey! on the 12 they look awefull mean.

RichardR

2,907 posts

297 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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So why does the Speed 12 have such huge arches?

Corin Denton

8,762 posts

297 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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Nacnud's got sidepipes on the Wedge!

DustyC

12,822 posts

283 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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T400R has side pipes too


>> Edited by DustyC on Thursday 1st July 12:43

DustyC

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283 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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RichardR said:
So why does the Speed 12 have such huge arches?


Wider track for better grip or perhaps something to do with the 800+BHP monster V12 lump under the bonnet.

z_chromozone

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278 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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One other problem with side pipes on V8's is that usually one bank of cylinders exits from one side and the other from the other. Hence Westfiled SEiGHt's sound crap when they are passing you. Great from the inside though when the effect can be heard in stereo.

Z

DustyC

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283 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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z_chromozone said:
One other problem with side pipes on V8's is that usually one bank of cylinders exits from one side and the other from the other. Hence Westfiled SEiGHt's sound crap when they are passing you. Great from the inside though when the effect can be heard in stereo.

Z


The Griff goes into one pipe and back to two again.

RichardR

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297 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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DustyC said:

RichardR said:
So why does the Speed 12 have such huge arches?



Wider track for better grip or perhaps something to do with the 800+BHP monster V12 lump under the bonnet.
I was thinking more of the large gap between the tyres and top of the arches...

DustyC

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283 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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I always wondered that too.

When you see them in the flesh they always look wrong, like they need lowering or something.
it cant be good for aerodynamics.

IPAddis

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313 months

Thursday 1st July 2004
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DustyC said:

RichardR said:
So why does the Speed 12 have such huge arches?



Wider track for better grip or perhaps something to do with the 800+BHP monster V12 lump under the bonnet.


I think he meant the huge gap between the wheel and the bodywork, looking like a 4x4 TVR. I think it's to do with accessing mechanical parts during a race.

Ian A.

DustyC

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Thursday 1st July 2004
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IPAddis said:


I think he meant the huge gap between the wheel and the bodywork, looking like a 4x4 TVR. I think it's to do with accessing mechanical parts during a race.

Ian A.


Got it and replied. Probably the same time as you though!

dinkel

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Friday 2nd July 2004
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Lots of older cars have sidepipes, so it should be no problem really.

I see the problem with a closed top . . .


. . . that's why cabrio / targas could deal with the hot pipes . . .

Horse_Apple

3,795 posts

271 months

Friday 2nd July 2004
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RichardR said:

DustyC said:


RichardR said:
So why does the Speed 12 have such huge arches?




Wider track for better grip or perhaps something to do with the 800+BHP monster V12 lump under the bonnet.

I was thinking more of the large gap between the tyres and top of the arches...


I wondered if it was because the ride height on that silver 12 had been jacked up to allow it to drive on the road.

If you look at the front spoiler it kind of looks like you would want to lower the car a couple of inches on a circuit so that it is only just clearing the tarmac.

The increased gap would probably help with air flow and tyre cooling when travelling at 200MPH!!!!

The old D-Types when they took them to the Indy 500 absolutely creamed the Indy cars for the first few laps and then the tyres over heated due to having no air flow around them.

dinkel

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Sunday 4th July 2004
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Horse_Apple said:

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The increased gap would probably help with air flow and tyre cooling when travelling at 200MPH!!!!

The old D-Types when they took them to the Indy 500 absolutely creamed the Indy cars for the first few laps and then the tyres over heated due to having no air flow around them.


www.rapidcars.com/dtypejag.jpg

I see it's very narrow. Nice side pipe . . .