My TVR is falsifie, fake VIN number - Need help

[Cayman48]

Hello,

I'm Frederic from france and I have a 2005 TVR T350 since january

Well...I should say 2002 because all the bodywork, inside and chassis is from 2002
Numbers on the chassis had been deleted
Number on the constructor plate shows a 2004 build but it can't be.
Engine number is not the one engraved on the constructor's plate ( this point is not really important as it only means it’s not the original engine)

Pictures here : https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tM-L9k8qv7vi...

So I want to cancel the transaction from the seller but he wants the car to be inspected by the insurance (with an automobile expert).

The expert told me it would be an important point to have a document from TVR giving informations on the serial number who appears on the constructor’s plate.
Then, from this paper we could see clearly :
What kind of chassis was used ?
What colour was the car ?
What year it was build ?

Then if all of of this don't coincide with my car it would be a first proof.

So my question is, can I collect such a document from TVR motors in Austria (http://www.tvrmotors.eu) ?
Do they have a register ?
Or is it TVR power or Blackpool Automotive

Another question is how can I find the real serial number of my T350 (is it somewhere else ?)
Marc Minne from belgium (used to be an official TVR dealer) says we can find the 4 last numbers of the serial in several places.
On my T350, on those places nothing match with nothing !


Thanks for your precious help.
Frederic

[Guillotine]

You need Richard Sails at the tvr car club. they hold the records from TVR.
www.tvr-car-club.co.uk
Their contact numbers are there. You wont have to be a member for this.
cheers
andy

http://www.tvr-car-club.co.uk/contact.asp

[TVRinBFG]

I've known Marc Minnie for 15+ years and he knows everything about TVRs there is to know, so is probably your best source of help.

The chassis number suggests the car was built in 2004 in Blackpool, the engine a 3.6 completed about week 27 (June ish?) and the colour is Midas Yellow?

Did you buy it prviately or from a dealer?

[Cayman48]

Thanks God I bought it from a dealer ....so he is responsible for the car he sells.

Previously I bought all my used cars from private people so I'm lucky here !

I will immediately call TVR car club, THANK YOU !

By the way it's Marc who have seen all of this about my T350...

[potato muncher]

Cayman48 said:

Hello,

I'm Frederic from france and I have a 2005 TVR T350 since january

Well...I should say 2002 because all the bodywork, inside and chassis is from 2002
Numbers on the chassis had been deleted
Number on the constructor plate shows a 2004 build but it can't be.
Engine number is not the one engraved on the constructor's plate ( this point is not really important as it only means it’s not the original engine)

Pictures here : https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tM-L9k8qv7vi...

So I want to cancel the transaction from the seller but he wants the car to be inspected by the insurance (with an automobile expert).

The expert told me it would be an important point to have a document from TVR giving informations on the serial number who appears on the constructor’s plate.
Then, from this paper we could see clearly :
What kind of chassis was used ?
What colour was the car ?
What year it was build ?

Then if all of of this don't coincide with my car it would be a first proof.

So my question is, can I collect such a document from TVR motors in Austria (http://www.tvrmotors.eu) ?
Do they have a register ?
Or is it TVR power or Blackpool Automotive

Another question is how can I find the real serial number of my T350 (is it somewhere else ?)
Marc Minne from belgium (used to be an official TVR dealer) says we can find the 4 last numbers of the serial in several places.
On my T350, on those places nothing match with nothing !


Thanks for your precious help.
Frederic

TVR did a lot of chassis number changes when it suited them if money was going to come in sooner with another order.
You will find a small engraved plate on your bonnet and doors - door cards removed and sprayed in black paint under the boot carpet and other places.
I have some paint lists and some computer records, so the last 4 digits of your chassis no. might help and the numbers you have found on your car.
Marc Minne is a top bloke and I hope to be seeing him tomorrow when he picks a car up from us.

Malcolm

[Cayman48]

I have contacted Richard Sails, they don't have my T350 in their records...

Malcom, In the picasa gallery, I added 2 pictures :
- Engraved plate on my bonnet
- Inside door's panel with 4 numbers marked
It shows respectively 1636 and 1393


Another point : I have seen the post "Alternative paint code list" and we can see TVR 095 = Orion Yellow / Halcyon Midas
TVR 095 is the body code on my plate but my T350 is obviously dark blue...
I need to proove this with an official document FROM TVR recording all the paint code so if anyone has it...


Again Another point :

TVRinBFG said:

The chassis number suggests the car was built in 2004 in Blackpool,the engine a 3.6 completed about week 27 (June ish?)

This deduction comes from what appears on the constructor's plate, but the number engraved directly on the engine is 0250P6363105
So I understand it means 2002 week 50 ?????



Once again THANKS to all the contributors for your help.

Edited by Cayman48 on Thursday 17th May 10:47

[Barreti]

I can't see any photos in your Picassa link Frederic - just 2 albums for a De Tomaso Engine and an apartment.

[JnP]

I'm sorry to hear what's going on with your car Fred, can't help you on this one. Crossing my fingers for you.

The original car was yellow and from 2002 but the color was changed and the numbers too in order to sell it at a higher price I guess or to a hide a cat D. Is that right ?

Edited by JnP on Thursday 17th May 11:42

[JnP]

I'm sorry to hear what's going on with your car Fred, can't help you on this one. Crossing my fingers for you.

The original car was yellow and from 2002 but the color was changed and the numbers too in order to sell it at a higher price I guess or to a hide a cat D. Is that right ?

Edited by JnP on Thursday 17th May 11:43

[Cayman48]

Barreti, you should be able to see it now

Jonathan >>> it's a big mess and I think it's both of it
All the bodywork is from 2002 and others parts also. as my gearbox's silent blocks, they are from 2002

Edited by Cayman48 on Thursday 17th May 13:15

[RetroWheels]

PM me your email address and this evening will email you a copy of the factory build sheet for the car relating to that chassis plate.

[Cayman48]

Sounds great !
Done

[so called]

Fingers crossed you get this sorted and can start enjoying the car.
Tony

[Cayman48]

I won't keep the car, I am cancelling the transaction

It's too much trouble on it and the value of the car is down now I think.

Darren has send me the specification sheets of the 1192 and the 1636 and all is clear now
1636 is the real number and it's from 2002

[JnP]

The value of the car is definitely down a bit. Tell us how it goes with canceling the transaction and getting your money back.

It would be interesting to find out the story on the car, if it was a cat D or not.

It's a shame it's one of two 350Ts with French license plates :-(

[Mattt]

RetroWheels said:

PM me your email address and this evening will email you a copy of the factory build sheet for the car relating to that chassis plate.

O/T - but do you have build sheets for all cars?

[Ant.]

Cayman48 said:

I won't keep the car, I am cancelling the transaction

It's too much trouble on it and the value of the car is down now I think.

Darren has send me the specification sheets of the 1192 and the 1636 and all is clear now
1636 is the real number and it's from 2002

Is the original advert still online for car?
If it is , or on their website, maybe grab a screen dump to help with your argument.

[Cayman48]

I still have the description of the ad on internet but anyway I have everything I need, I have a bill from the seller with all the details...
It won't be that hard to cancel the transaction, facts are here and they are obvious !

2 experts (one from my insurance company and one from the seller's insurance company ) will look at the car the 30t of may.

[Gazzab]

Why is it an insurance issue? Surely you bought a car that was misrepresented, is it that easy to 'cancel'. Do you rely on seller willingness to settle (or alternatively go legal)? Gary

[Barreti]

Its been horrible to read this Frederic and I truly hope the outcome on the 30th May is good for you.

I don't hold it against you that your police are swines, and persecute us poor Brits every time we come to your country for the annual 24 Heures Du Mans !
I honestly do wish you the best of luck with this

Barreti