Bullet cam interference in TVRs
Bullet cam interference in TVRs
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Longers

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4,505 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Hi everyone

Myself and another TVR owning mate recently purchased Mini DVR HD bullet cam kits from Dogcam.

We're off on a euro jaunt including some tracktime at Spa and the Nurburgring next week so we both decided to try our kits out last weekend and sadly both of us had the same problems frown Firstly the image is flickering badly and all the audio is recording is a loud buzz which gets louder as the rev's rise. The problems do not appear in our other cars.

Dogcam have been extremely helpful and both units are on their way back to them for a firmware upgrade which they say will fix the problems. But we're not so sure and because we're setting off next Wednesday we're keen to have some other ideas in our back pockets to try early next week in case the firmware fix doesn't work - by the time we get the units back we'll not have long before we head off...

Searching google reveals info on suppression / capacitors / etc.

I've got an S2 and the other car is a Chim so different components, etc. Is the issue caused by the way the TVRs are built or do you think we have both been unlucky with dodgy units?

Has anyone else had similar problems or have ideas on how to fix them?

Cheers in advance
L'rs (& Mr Plow)

TVR Thunder

274 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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As TVR's are have GRP Bodyshells they dont attenuate RFI emmisions very well that can br generated by the ignition system. More so if you are not running resistive leads or plugs.

I would check these first.

DogCam

21 posts

215 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Hi Guys,

Your friend's camera turned up today but we couldn't really find anything wrong with it, We've replaced his camera and recorder and updated it with the latest firmware as a matter of course and that should be back with him tomorrow. It is possible that RF from the engine is causing interference but we've not had that from any other car we've put them in, including a lot of rally spec vehicles.

Hopefully your friend will be able to test this tomorrow and if the problem persists then there is still time to look at an alternative solution before your trip.

Cheers,
Mark

Tanguero

4,535 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Are you using the cameras with the power supply plugged into the car? If so try running on batteries only, wiring borne interference may be part of the problem

Pupp

12,945 posts

301 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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B7ECS plugs tend to be specced for RV8 tivs; they are non-resistive and I have certainly had to change to resistive alternatives to avoid EMI issues as my leads/shrouds were not sufficiently suppressive (affecting neighbours' TV reception in my case - it is not uncommon for some aftermarket ECUs to suffer resets as a consequence too).

Maybe try BR7ES or the resistive iridium equivalent if the cars have the B7ECS plugs fitted (there is no direct resistive equivalent but I run BR8ECS with no issues although they are theoretically going to be more prone to cold fouling)

Longers

Original Poster:

4,505 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Thanks for the input everyone

Tanguero said:
Are you using the cameras with the power supply plugged into the car? If so try running on batteries only, wiring borne interference may be part of the problem
Problem occurs with plugged in power and on batteries frown

Dave 500

7,882 posts

271 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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What camera kit do you have?

Longers

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Dave 500

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271 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Any chance you could put up some footage.

Are you sure it's not camera shake?

Longers

Original Poster:

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257 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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Sorry can't upload it at the moment but it's not shake. A copy has been sent to the guys at Dogcam and they said it looked like either a fault in the recording device (which they've since confirmed it isn't) or something updated firmware should resolve. They've offered excellent support, can't fault them at all, and while we've no reason not to trust them we're keen to get some other options ready in case we still have problems after the firmware upgrade wink

ShiDevil

2,293 posts

203 months

Thursday 17th May 2012
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I use a POV.1 HD, no issues here, but you do get what you pay for.

Longers

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Thursday 17th May 2012
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ShiDevil said:
... you do get what you pay for.
Thanks for that rolleyes At £300 I'd hardly say the kit I've got is at the "budget" end of the market wink

ShiDevil

2,293 posts

203 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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Longers said:
Thanks for that rolleyes At £300 I'd hardly say the kit I've got is at the "budget" end of the market wink
It was a general comment mate. Your cam should be awesome. Do you have other devices turned on that might interfere with it?

Dave 500

7,882 posts

271 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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I've never used your set up before so its a bit difficult to suggest any solutions frown

However I have used GoPro 2 Hero's, Contour HD's and VIO POV HD's on TVR's and none of the them have had problems like you're having.

The biggest problem I seem to have is camera shake/wobble which can only be sorted by using heavy duty clamps (gopro 2 is OK with its supplied clamp but its a bit restrictive in set up).

Sound wise the only way to get good audio is to use an external mic, the GoPRo 2 internal mic is by far the worst and to be honest they shouldn't have even bothered with it.

I would suggest going for a different system as I really can't see how a firmware update will make any difference, it sounds more like a hardware problem (possibly the cable between the camera and recorder not having enough shielding).

I haven't tried using these cameras on a RV8 TVR yet but will give it a go on the Chimaera tomorrow and see what happens.

Here's a quick video of a VIO POV HD on a Cerbera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ui6CSHFCNI

Longers

Original Poster:

4,505 posts

257 months

Friday 18th May 2012
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Cheers smile

While image was stable it WAS excellent. Nothing else turned on in car...
Kit with new firmware has been received at home so will try over weekend.

Dave 500

7,882 posts

271 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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How did you get on with the new camera?

Dodsy

7,175 posts

256 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Not quite a thread hijack... I have just installed a rally intercom in the chim and get a quiet buzzing in the headsets that rises and falls with revs. I am going to fit a supressor on the 12V lead Link to see if it goes away.

But as yours also does it on battery I guess your fix may not be quite so simple.

wadsapple

3,346 posts

216 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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I have the Mini HD DVR motorsport set up as the OP has bought.I have had a few initial problems that dog cam sorted out.here is a video i recorded on sunday,see what you think to quality etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNliKbsiu38

pwd95

8,452 posts

267 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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wadsapple said:
thumbup Enjoyed that. driving

haircutmike

22,459 posts

233 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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pwd95 said:
wadsapple said:
thumbup Enjoyed that. driving
Nice one Perry!

Them pesky caterfields come out of nowhere in the bends!