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Marcos Maniac

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3,148 posts

290 months

Thursday 12th August 2004
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Typical - a chance of a nice blast on business this morning and the car won't start

Fuel pump isn't priming/buzzing

strangely it was buzzing of its own free will a couple of days ago - I came out the front door and could hear it - bizzare!! car wasnt locked disarmed the immobiliser and she fired up okay. switched off and locked the car.

Left it a couple of days - now I get nowt when I switch the ignition on
OK guys & gals - where should I start????

_topcat

1,938 posts

278 months

Thursday 12th August 2004
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i would start at the fuel pump relay. remove and refit, also tap it with the ignition on. hopefully it should start to buzz.

Marcos Maniac

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3,148 posts

290 months

Thursday 12th August 2004
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Where is the sodding fuel pump relay????

Looking at the bible there are several possibilities - tried all the relays I can get to and no joy

Thinking about it - I'm sure the relay buzzing was from under the dash top as a pose to from the passenger footwell

Targarama

14,780 posts

312 months

Thursday 12th August 2004
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Fuel pump relays are the 2 metal relays with Bosch written on them in the footwell wiring leading to the ECU connector - the bit you stuff on top of the battery.

You might want to replace the relays - Bosch only part. Do a search and this has been discussed (with pics too).

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Thursday 12th August 2004
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Flat battery ?

Marcos Maniac

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Thursday 12th August 2004
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rev-erend said:
Flat battery ?


Nope - not for a few weeks any way (back when I had the problem with the 100a fuse)


I'm wondering if something has got wet - forgot the car cover again

had a fiddle with the relays - no joy but noticed a faint buzzing sound from under the bonnet when I switch the ignition off

ed400

137 posts

267 months

Thursday 12th August 2004
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Just something I read in the bible is to check the connections on the fuel pump. They tend to pick up crud and can cause the pump to stop working.

Marcos Maniac

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Thursday 12th August 2004
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ed400 said:
Just something I read in the bible is to check the connections on the fuel pump. They tend to pick up crud and can cause the pump to stop working.





Cheers will do

crud on the connections Hmmmm! possible explanation as to the noise when switched off the other day???????

Marcos Maniac

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Friday 13th August 2004
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Targarama said:
Fuel pump relays are the 2 metal relays with Bosch written on them in the footwell wiring leading to the ECU connector - the bit you stuff on top of the battery.

You might want to replace the relays - Bosch only part. Do a search and this has been discussed (with pics too).


one of the relays is getting warm/hot when ignition is left on

New ones today [fingers crossed] I assume that I can take the old ones in to a motor factors to match the part no

mike_e

595 posts

292 months

Friday 13th August 2004
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Darryl, relays will get warm when they are operating due to the power in the coils. Biggest problem is the contacts welding themselves together or breaking, preventing the relay from switching. If the coil is warm and not buzzing then the control side of the relay is probably working, just need to determine if the contact side works. Buzzing does sound like a dodgy relay/wiring to me.

Quick check would be to hold the relay body and get somebody to turn ignition on and off, you should feel and also hear the contacts working. Should feel a solid click and definately no buzzing. If it buzzes then there may be something wrong with eiter the relay coil or more likely the supply to it, ie dirty / poor contacts.

Have you got anything you can check the volts at the pump / relays with?

Mike

Targarama

14,780 posts

312 months

Friday 13th August 2004
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Marcos Maniac said:

Targarama said:
Fuel pump relays are the 2 metal relays with Bosch written on them in the footwell wiring leading to the ECU connector - the bit you stuff on top of the battery.

You might want to replace the relays - Bosch only part. Do a search and this has been discussed (with pics too).



one of the relays is getting warm/hot when ignition is left on

New ones today [fingers crossed] I assume that I can take the old ones in to a motor factors to match the part no



Yes, I suggest looking in the phone book for a Bosch outlet to save you time. My local place had to order them even then. Don't accept substitute makes - people on this forum have made that mistake before. Of course, somewhere like a good indie or tvrgear.com could probabl ship you some out overnight ...

z_chromozone

1,436 posts

278 months

Friday 13th August 2004
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Targarama said:

Marcos Maniac said:


Targarama said:
Fuel pump relays are the 2 metal relays with Bosch written on them in the footwell wiring leading to the ECU connector - the bit you stuff on top of the battery.

You might want to replace the relays - Bosch only part. Do a search and this has been discussed (with pics too).



The fuel pump relay you can get away with cheaper alternatives as a cheap temp fix. The main relay no chance. Land Rover / range rover should stock both items, or at least be able to order them.

Fuel pump relay feed to the pump is usually purple and white, the main relay has two large green and brown wires coming from it.

Also check the inline fuse between the main and fuel pump relays as this can blow if one of them fails. I had a probelm with my relays breaking up and small pieces of insultaion shorting them out. They will rattle if this is the case.

Z



one of the relays is getting warm/hot when ignition is left on

New ones today [fingers crossed] I assume that I can take the old ones in to a motor factors to match the part no




Yes, I suggest looking in the phone book for a Bosch outlet to save you time. My local place had to order them even then. Don't accept substitute makes - people on this forum have made that mistake before. Of course, somewhere like a good indie or tvrgear.com could probabl ship you some out overnight ...

Marcos Maniac

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3,148 posts

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Friday 13th August 2004
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Fixed it

several to attempt to get new relays - resulted in 1 available at local motor factors


1 Is better than none fiddled around chopped and changed them and hey presto! it was music to my ears when I heard the fuel pump prime

CosmosChick your prediction for saturday night could now come true

Thanks for the advice guys


>> Edited by Marcos Maniac on Friday 13th August 13:32

cosmoschick

7,977 posts

278 months

Friday 13th August 2004
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Marcos Maniac said:
CosmosChick your prediction for saturday night could now come true




It's a 'dead cert' in my case!

Marcos Maniac

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Friday 13th August 2004
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cosmoschick said:

Marcos Maniac said:
CosmosChick your prediction for saturday night could now come true





It's a 'dead cert' in my case!




Ahhhh! but you have a prior arrangement

cosmoschick

7,977 posts

278 months

Friday 13th August 2004
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Don't worry MM, it'll be sorted out on the way back home tomorrow night OH

Marcos Maniac

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Friday 13th August 2004
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cosmoschick said:
Don't worry MM, it'll be sorted out on the way back home tomorrow night OH




But I might not be in