Genuine Chim v Griff question....

[edo]

I know there are a few tongue in cheek threads going on at the moment, but genuine question...

I know the earlier Chim(p)s were supposedly softer setup than the Griff, but how much difference there is between the later Chims and a Griffs?

I.E. ignoring aesthetics, what difference is there between a 98 500 Chim and a 98 500 Griff as it came from the factory?

[clive f]

probably none whatsoever.

[nawarne]

Agree with Clive.
Under the skin, they are the same chassis/engine/drivetrain.
Nick

[edo]

Suspension components?

[carsy]

Yep agree with the above. They are the same car. Any differences are probably in ones head.

[MPoxon]

The chim was always marketed as being a more of a grand tourer with a bigger boot and softer more compliant suspension. Does anyone know if the chim did actually had a different suspension setup?

[DonkeyApple]

I suspect that the differences are the same as they are between a Griff 500 finished on Monday and a Griff 500 finished on Tuesday.

In other words, they should be the same but chances are changes in stock/suppliers meant that somewhere they are different.

[edo]

Just reading the "bible"...

"In 1996 the Chim and Griff eventually shared the same chassis and brakes for all variants."

Locking at the spec table the rear track is 10 mm wider on the Griff (Front the same).

[GasMunkey]

The tracking varies slightly

[edo]

DonkeyApple said:

I suspect that the differences are the same as they are between a Griff 500 finished on Monday and a Griff 500 finished on Tuesday.

Fair point well made!

[macdeb]

clive f said:

probably none whatsoever.

[I mean, I agree]

[Andy JB]

The Griff was bought into line with the Chim around 95/96. Prior to that there were subtle suspension/brake differences ie the Griff was firmer but eventually shared same as a Chim.

[DonkeyApple]

Andy JB said:

The Griff was bought into line with the Chim around 95/96. Prior to that there were subtle suspension/brake differences ie the Griff was firmer but eventually shared same as a Chim.

Does that make later Griffs bisexual?

[andy1311]

Griffs 0-60 is a bit quicker due to no golf clubs in the boot

[edo]

Lol. Those gimp suits are pretty heavy (so a gimp driver told me!!!)

[Englishman]

Women like Griff's, some men like Chimps. Which you prefer sitting next to is up to you!

[GJR]

Andy JB said:

The Griff was bought into line with the Chim around 95/96. Prior to that there were subtle suspension/brake differences ie the Griff was firmer but eventually shared same as a Chim.

Not that it matters, but I thought it was the other way around, i.e. Chim eventually shared the same suspension set up as the Griffith. So do the post '96 Griffs have the softer Chim suspension?

[slideways]

GJR said:

Andy JB said:

The Griff was bought into line with the Chim around 95/96. Prior to that there were subtle suspension/brake differences ie the Griff was firmer but eventually shared same as a Chim.

Not that it matters, but I thought it was the other way around, i.e. Chim eventually shared the same suspension set up as the Griffith. So do the post '96 Griffs have the softer Chim suspension?

I think rear arbs were missing from early griffs, could be wrong though

[rigga]

slideways said:

I think rear arbs were missing from early griffs, could be wrong though

Correct .....

[pwd95]

Owned a 97 Griffith 500 and a 93 Chimp 430. Both were on what looked like the original Billies. Driven both on track & there was a significant difference in what felt like spring rate IMHO........

Griff felt a lot 'flatter or stiffer'.

Both at Castle Combe under heavy cornering.....






Current 95 Chim 400 on what look like original Billies feels softer than the Griff 500 after a recent visit to Pembrey with big wheels & proper tyres etc.......

Edited by pwd95 on Wednesday 17th October 23:51