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Just to warn members that might be interested in a very cheap LHD Tuscan for sale at less then 20 000€ (less then half the regular quote for a LHD)
The advert has been seen on mobile.de where almost all TVRs for sale on the continent are.
Here is a copy of the emails exchanged with the person so that every can be informed on who the con is and what his speech is...
Mail 1:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting me about the 2004 TVR Tuscan with 38.500 km.
About the car: The car is in perfect conditions, no flaws or dents, no scratches or any kind of damage, no engine problems. The interior is in like new condition and has never been smoked in. The car is still Austria registered so you will not have to pay any custom taxes.
The problem is that I had to move with my family back in Ireland from where I am as I got a new job transfer. I has the intention of bring it and keep (driving) it, but when I found out about the very high import duties and all the restrictions regarding registration and emissions tests here I've changed my mind and I've decided to sell the vehicle. I want to sell it in the Austria because the car is still registered there.
The amount you will have to pay in order to own this vehicle is 18.800 EUR!
I want to take this opportunity to assure you that this deal is 100% legitimate, the financial part of this deal will be managed by a third party, in this way both of us will be protected. They will keep the payment until you receive the item and test it.
So if you are really interested and looking to buy the car, please email me as soon as possible.
Thank you, Natalie Jenkins
Mail 2:
Hi Jonathan,
I've attached you the pictures. The car is already in a shipping company possession, crated and ready for delivery, so No pick up is available. I asked them to allow viewers to go there and inspect the car but their reply was "We are not a showroom!" In this case, I will offer a 15-day period to inspect the car from the moment you receive it. I am very busy with my business, I travel allot and I have no time to go there, to handle the vehicle to you in person, that's why prefer to use eBay to do this sale.
The final price is 18.800 EUR + shipping to your door. For an accurate shipping cost please include your shipping address in your next email.
Check CLEAR : The car shows all clear on the check report as having no outstanding finance, has never been an insurance write off or stolen.
DOCUMENTS : The delivery agent will take care of all the papers. The title, 2x keys, service book & bookpack are provided. Everything will be sent along with the car. The delivery will take between 2 to 5 working days, door-to-door.
I will only conclude the transaction through eBay for our own protection. They act as a neutral third party. I shall explain to you the process, so that you know what you are getting into!
If we decide to proceed with this transaction, I will have to contact eBay and provide them all the necessary information, so they can start the process right away. I will be needing your eBay user name(if you have one), full name, address and phone number for that. You will receive a notification from eBay shortly after that, together with all the instructions to follow and the invoice as well.
Regarding the payment, you will be instructed to deposit the money to an eBay bank account. They will hold and insure your money until receipt of the vehicle in good condition. That is how their buyer protection policy is working. As far as the seller concerns, I will be glad to know that eBay has the possession of the money during the delivery period. That is my insurance.
As soon as I will have the confirmation from eBay that the funds have been deposited to their account, I will immediately start the shipping process. The car will be delivered to your address in no more than 5 working days. You will be given a 15 days inspection period from the day you receive the car at home.
If you decide to hold the car, then you will have to authorize eBay to release the funds to me, and the transaction will be completed. If you will not be satisfied with the vehicle, you will be able to send it back through the same shipping company, and ask eBay to return the funds to you. Though I am sure you will love the car and will not want to return it, it is good to know that you do have this second option available.
If you wish to proceed with the purchase, please provide me your eBay user name (only if you are eBay member), your full name, address for delivery and phone number so I can initiate the deal through eBay right away. If you do not have an eBay account this is not an issue, we can do business through my account, even if you are not registered with eBay; as my buyer you will be fully covered by them. Or if you want feedback on eBay, you can sign up with eBay in your country, it is very easy and free and you can have an eBay user name instantly.
I hope I explained everything to you ok. After we complete all these above steps I can only hope that you should be fully satisfied as the new owner of my car.
Kind regards, Natalie Jenkins
The advert has been seen on mobile.de where almost all TVRs for sale on the continent are.
Here is a copy of the emails exchanged with the person so that every can be informed on who the con is and what his speech is...
Mail 1:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting me about the 2004 TVR Tuscan with 38.500 km.
About the car: The car is in perfect conditions, no flaws or dents, no scratches or any kind of damage, no engine problems. The interior is in like new condition and has never been smoked in. The car is still Austria registered so you will not have to pay any custom taxes.
The problem is that I had to move with my family back in Ireland from where I am as I got a new job transfer. I has the intention of bring it and keep (driving) it, but when I found out about the very high import duties and all the restrictions regarding registration and emissions tests here I've changed my mind and I've decided to sell the vehicle. I want to sell it in the Austria because the car is still registered there.
The amount you will have to pay in order to own this vehicle is 18.800 EUR!
I want to take this opportunity to assure you that this deal is 100% legitimate, the financial part of this deal will be managed by a third party, in this way both of us will be protected. They will keep the payment until you receive the item and test it.
So if you are really interested and looking to buy the car, please email me as soon as possible.
Thank you, Natalie Jenkins
Mail 2:
Hi Jonathan,
I've attached you the pictures. The car is already in a shipping company possession, crated and ready for delivery, so No pick up is available. I asked them to allow viewers to go there and inspect the car but their reply was "We are not a showroom!" In this case, I will offer a 15-day period to inspect the car from the moment you receive it. I am very busy with my business, I travel allot and I have no time to go there, to handle the vehicle to you in person, that's why prefer to use eBay to do this sale.
The final price is 18.800 EUR + shipping to your door. For an accurate shipping cost please include your shipping address in your next email.
Check CLEAR : The car shows all clear on the check report as having no outstanding finance, has never been an insurance write off or stolen.
DOCUMENTS : The delivery agent will take care of all the papers. The title, 2x keys, service book & bookpack are provided. Everything will be sent along with the car. The delivery will take between 2 to 5 working days, door-to-door.
I will only conclude the transaction through eBay for our own protection. They act as a neutral third party. I shall explain to you the process, so that you know what you are getting into!
If we decide to proceed with this transaction, I will have to contact eBay and provide them all the necessary information, so they can start the process right away. I will be needing your eBay user name(if you have one), full name, address and phone number for that. You will receive a notification from eBay shortly after that, together with all the instructions to follow and the invoice as well.
Regarding the payment, you will be instructed to deposit the money to an eBay bank account. They will hold and insure your money until receipt of the vehicle in good condition. That is how their buyer protection policy is working. As far as the seller concerns, I will be glad to know that eBay has the possession of the money during the delivery period. That is my insurance.
As soon as I will have the confirmation from eBay that the funds have been deposited to their account, I will immediately start the shipping process. The car will be delivered to your address in no more than 5 working days. You will be given a 15 days inspection period from the day you receive the car at home.
If you decide to hold the car, then you will have to authorize eBay to release the funds to me, and the transaction will be completed. If you will not be satisfied with the vehicle, you will be able to send it back through the same shipping company, and ask eBay to return the funds to you. Though I am sure you will love the car and will not want to return it, it is good to know that you do have this second option available.
If you wish to proceed with the purchase, please provide me your eBay user name (only if you are eBay member), your full name, address for delivery and phone number so I can initiate the deal through eBay right away. If you do not have an eBay account this is not an issue, we can do business through my account, even if you are not registered with eBay; as my buyer you will be fully covered by them. Or if you want feedback on eBay, you can sign up with eBay in your country, it is very easy and free and you can have an eBay user name instantly.
I hope I explained everything to you ok. After we complete all these above steps I can only hope that you should be fully satisfied as the new owner of my car.
Kind regards, Natalie Jenkins
I think "shes" lifted the advert,shes right about the high import duties into ireland though close on 40% of the Revenues valuation, not what you paid for the car ! not so on the emmissions though,same as UK.Registration,very easy the Revenue demand its registered in 24 hours of being here,simples,you pays your 40% easy peasey,Pity i was going to ring her as a fellow TVR owning irishman !
Edited by dhf on Friday 30th November 18:58
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