Sould I raffle the Cerbera?

[davidd]

If I issue say 400 tickets at £50 each, make the £15750 I need to and donate the rest to charity..

Would it work? Would people buy tickets?
Is it legal?
It seemed liek a good idea last night but then I was a little drunk.

Your thoughts and comments would be welcome.

D

[redcar]

But if you sell 200, your stuffed and bound to sell car for £10K

[raceboy]

And you'll need to apply for a gaming licence

[Prof Higgins]

Chap doing similar thing on ebay at the moment with an Esprit. Actually a spot the ball with a £10 entry and 2500 being sold, this means if he is succesful in selling all then he will pocket £25000 for his 1990 Esprit (non turbo!!), he then states in his t&c's that if he fails to sell a least 1250 tckts then "cash alternatives based on entrant fees, less administrative costs, such as Electronic transfer fees using PayPal, postage and marketing costs will be offered to the received winner.
Full details will be provided of these administrative costs."

Full details of admin costs may well be provided, doesn't mean you have any more comeback if you feel they are unreasonable, and lets face it, when offered a £1 refund from your tenner are you really going to be bothered to try and recoup the £9 that went on admin and costs or will you just feel a bit silly.

Certainly not casting any doubt of legitimacy of this auction but however honestly these things are done, I would think that most people would assume a scam and you would therefore have trouble shifting enough tckts to make it work.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27375&item=2489350042&rd=1

[venom]

I thought that if you stated that any profit (i.e. the excess on the sale value of the car) would go to charity, then you get around the need for a gaming licence? Could be wrong though

[Nevin]

venom said:

I thought that if you stated that any profit (i.e. the excess on the sale value of the car) would go to charity, then you get around the need for a gaming licence? Could be wrong though

Any lottery on which you stand to make money and where there is no element of skill requires a gaming licence. This is the reason a lot of these things have an annoying spot the ball element to them, you have to exercise skill and judgement to spot the ball, hence no licence required.

[trinitycall]

Soopa huge risk that any sort of high-value raffle sale is a scam, with the winner being a fictitious person or co-conspirator.

Afterall, will Dale Winton be officiating the draw? me thinks not. will there be an independent adjudicator and complaints procedure? me thinks not.

Rather than buying a raffle ticket buy lottery tickets instead, your chances will be much better. And we all know the rough odds of winning the lottery!

Regards,

N





>> Edited by trinitycall on Friday 17th September 13:50

[jeremyc]

[Yoda]
Patient you must be, oh Padowan Cerbera vendor (of only two days ).

Small the market is, and only slowly will the potential purchasers come, mmmmm.

Close your eyes and use the Force.
[/Yoda]

(What are you going to be like when it gets to over 8 weeks like some of us? )

[.Mark]

jeremyc said:

(What are you going to be like when it gets to over 8 weeks like some of us? )

Yes, but I don't believe you are trying very hard my friend.
I overheard your sales pitch to Jo the other day

Jeremy - Do you want to buy it

Jo - No

Jeremy - OK, bye then

or words the that effect.

[jeremyc]

.Mark said:

Yes, but I don't believe you are trying very hard my friend. I overheard your sales pitch to Jo the other day Jeremy - Do you want to buy it Jo - No Jeremy - OK, bye then or words the that effect.

It's all about rapid qualification of the prospective purchaser, and I'd had a word with the Finances Manager previously.

[njw 77]

After walking through airports many times and seeing the raffles for cars located within, finally got round to buying a ticket for an F360 a month or so ago(only 357 tickets left to sell..woohoo...the company is called Best of the Best), thinking it was a straight draw, but it was a spot the ball competition. The (very young & very sexy) girl on the counter said something about (to be honest, I wasnt paying much attention to what she was saying as I was admiring the view)doing a spot the ball competition because they are not a registered charity, so cant do it just as a raffle (I assume this has something to do with skirting round the gaming laws? I really should know about this, being son of a long retired bookmaker, but I dont ).

Best of the Best's competitions stay open until all tickets are sold so not sure how it will work on ebay unless he keeps relisting until all gone. B of the B quote between 6 - 25 weeks per competitin, but then they are selling 3000 tickets

>> Edited by njw 77 on Friday 17th September 14:08

[Nevin]

njw 77 said:

After walking through airports many times and seeing the raffles for cars located within, finally got round to buying a ticket for an F360 a month or so ago(only 357 tickets left to sell..woohoo...the company is called Best of the Best), thinking it was a straight draw, but it was a spot the ball competition. The (very young & very sexy) girl on the counter said something about (to be honest, I wasnt paying much attention to what she was saying as I was admiring the view)doing a spot the ball competition because they are not a registered charity, so cant do it just as a raffle (I assume this has something to do with skirting round the gaming laws? I really should know about this, being son of a long retired bookmaker, but I dont ). Best of the Best's competitions stay open until all tickets are sold so not sure how it will work on ebay unless he keeps relisting until all gone. B of the B quote between 6 - 25 weeks per competitin, but then they are selling 3000 tickets >> Edited by njw 77 on Friday 17th September 14:08

See my explanation above.

Scout Troops, women's institutes etc can have raffles where no element of skill is involved because they tend to be registered charities.

[venom]

Ahh, I knew there was a cheeky way round the licencing somehow, thanks for clearing it up.

Now, who'd like to buy a spot the ball ticket for a vauxhall astra. Great chances of winning - 1 ticket - £1,200. Limited run of 1 tickets available!!

>> Edited by venom on Friday 17th September 14:45

[.Mark]

jeremyc said:

It's all about rapid qualification of the prospective purchaser, and I'd had a word with the Finances Manager previously.

touche!

[J_S_G]

I'd say that the idea is a goer if you can get round gaming licenses by running a spot the ball, or similar question simple multiple choice Q. might be good enough, or even "guess the mileage".

Would put a caveat on the minimum tickets sold. And I'd drop the entry price to more like £5-10 (disposable cash for people, then), and get it well advertised... both on EBay, at work, door to door, etc. State that proceeds (profits) will go to charity, and you'll probably be way more likely to get shop owners sticking posters up in windows (and potentially collecting cash on your behalf).

[philip_cooke]

Why not have a chat to the chap that organised this raffle: www.winahouseforafiver.co.uk He didn't manage to sell enough tickets and so the lucky winner will end up with a shed load of cash!!

[powerlord]

philip_cooke said:

Why not have a chat to the chap that organised this raffle: www.winahouseforafiver.co.uk He didn't manage to sell enough tickets and so the lucky winner will end up with a shed load of cash!!

why did he leave all the cash in his shed ?

[Prof Higgins]

powerlord said:

why did he leave all the cash in his shed ?