future looks bleak for TVR
future looks bleak for TVR
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notamused

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1 posts

261 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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I am very concerned about developments at TVR since Smolenski's arrival.

They have now lost the contributions of Peter Wheeler, John Ravenscroft and most recently, Neill Andersen. These were 3 of TVR's key designers and they will be very hard to replace, especially under the present owner's regime of blinding ignorance.

The Sagaris is also being changed considerably from the prototype design shown to the world as a radical track car, developed in a wind tunnel. The wheel arch and bonnet vents are now being filled in, apparently due to type approval and water leak problems, reducing it effectively to a slightly wider T350. So all that hype about it being a track car can now be forgetten.

David Saxton lasted 6 weeks, Nigel Something-Orother lasted 4 days as GM and now, allegedly Ben Samuelson is back in the marketing hotseat.


the future does not look bright...

chris watton

22,547 posts

289 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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apart from that, all's OK then!!!

fkn

84 posts

268 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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what!!!! when was that anounced ive not heard anything about the vent styling being changed

fkn

84 posts

268 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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mungo said:

notamused said:
allegedly Ben Samuelson is back in the marketing hotseat.





Oh dear!

I'd be pretty pissed off if I ordered a Sagaris on what I saw at the motor show etc and then found out they were changing the design of the car I had ordered
i will be more than pissed off

shadowninja

79,993 posts

311 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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los angeles said:
Any simplification of the Sagaris's crude vents and spoiler is to be welcomed. TVR is not the first to design air vents on bonnet and wings, just the first to make them appear fashioned by blows from a Viking axe. Raising the ride height allows the car to drive over normal roads. All that will help increase sales.


FourWheelDrift

92,239 posts

313 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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But of course it's also against the rules of posting on PH to create a 2nd profile just for the purpose of posting "annonymous drivel".

Supersonic

1,163 posts

291 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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notamused said:
The Sagaris is also being changed considerably from the prototype design shown to the world as a radical track car, developed in a wind tunnel. So all that hype about it being a track car can now be forgetten.
Fact or yet another unsubstantiated rumour?

tvrbob

11,197 posts

284 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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All was not well at TVR, that's why we have new management. The business needs to change to find its new future. You can't keep playing the same game and expect to be able to achieve a different answer. Those most influential in TVR's past will feel as though they have lost control over their empires. They either embrace this change or shake hands and go their separate ways. A new model every year and more outrageous each time. That's not sustainable and will lead to TVR's demise. Give them time and you will see a new and vibrant TVR.

tvrbob

11,197 posts

284 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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Oh and now the news is out I should add that the Chim/Griff wheel & brake upgrade that was under the direction of Neill Anderson will be picked up by someone else but the timing of that will depend on the pressure they feel from people still on the list. I fortunately was the last recipient and was engaged in the deal when Neill decided to leave.

fkn

84 posts

268 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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if it is i will be down the ferrari garage tommorrow
just got a place on the cannonball 8000 sept 05 as well
lets hope its not true

>> Edited by fkn on Sunday 19th December 15:08

GreenV8S

31,014 posts

313 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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Those vents and the rest of the front end design were never more than a styling exercise in my opinion. Aerodynamically that front end didn't make any sense at all, and removing them doesn't imply that they've abandoned their goal of making it a track focussed car.

chris watton

22,547 posts

289 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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FourWheelDrift said:


But of course it's also against the rules of posting on PH to create a 2nd profile just for the purpose of posting "annonymous drivel".


So,, who is the troll?, if it is, that's a bit sad really, isn't it, no friends or home life perhaps?????

v8tvr

792 posts

282 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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[quote=notamused]I am very concerned about developments at TVR since Smolenski's arrival.

They have now lost the contributions of Peter Wheeler, John Ravenscroft and most recently, Neill Andersen. These were 3 of TVR's key designers and they will be very hard to replace, especially under the present owner's regime of blinding ignorance.

The Sagaris is also being changed considerably from the prototype design shown to the world as a radical track car, developed in a wind tunnel. The wheel arch and bonnet vents are now being filled in, apparently due to type approval and water leak problems, reducing it effectively to a slightly wider T350. So all that hype about it being a track car can now be forgetten.


Hmmm take away the vents and i think it will be almost a T350

tvrinbfg

1,460 posts

313 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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"David Saxton lasted 6 weeks, Nigel Something-Orother lasted 4 days as GM and now, allegedly Ben Samuelson is back in the marketing hotseat."

Wow an interesting post. Can Pistonheads or anybody confirm that JR and NA have left TVR and if so where have they gone to? Followed DMcT to Marcos? And was that David Saxton from formerly at Lotus circa 1999/2000?

tvrbob

11,197 posts

284 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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tvrinbfg said:
Can Pistonheads or anybody confirm that JR and NA have left TVR
NA has left, don't know where he's gone to though.

>> Edited by tvrbob on Sunday 19th December 16:24

PetrolTed

34,468 posts

332 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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Change isn't always bad.

tvrbob

11,197 posts

284 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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PetrolTed said:


Change isn't always bad.
Change is usually good. It's just painful for those who don't embrace it. If all were well then change wouldn't be happening.

Big Al.

69,336 posts

287 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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I'm with FWD,

Trolls !!!!! why bother to waste ones time and energy typing a reply.

If you ain't got the balls to be up front, then I ain't got the time to post

Somebody close this, it's going nowhere!

PetrolTed

34,468 posts

332 months

Sunday 19th December 2004
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Don't think there's any benefit in prolonging this discussion.
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