TVR GRIFFITH DEPOSIT HOLDERS
Discussion
Hi all
I know there won't be that many on Pistonheads and if you are anything like me, even if you are, you maybe a lurker not a contributor.
Rather than send TVR lots of individual emails, I thought it may be a good idea to send one from the PH community.
I am not for one second elevating our importance or pretending to be more commercially astute than Les Edgar and his team (a very big part of me thinks this was a very clever exercise to gauge reaction - publicity and all that) rather than send an email about my feelings,I wonder if it would be a good idea to collate them in this thread.
I am not after the fix e.g. replace the wheels for spiders or completely change the Ford stalks for Pagani ones - just a list of things we would like the TVR team to consider.
After a few days, I don't think I want much now, but my list for them to consider is the following.
1. Front headlight arrangement
2. Fit and finish/quality of interior and materials
3. Wheels
4. Unpainted body option
I am not here to tell them what to do, just what I would like them to review for the production version.
I would be grateful if you could add anything you would like them to look at - In a couple of weeks, I will look through this - remove the expected witty/hateful/sarcastic/irrelevant comments and send an email referencing this discussion and the wiki regarding deposit holders, so they can see this is not one deposit holder's ramblings.
Thanks in advance
PS: I'm not saying you can't send them an email or speak to them, I'm sure they've been reading most of the vitriol on here and it's ruined their weekend, but maybe it would be a good idea to show our support whilst still thinking about the future of the company.
PPS: I'm having second thoughts about posting this now - but just like Les Edgar and my dad, it's too late to pull out, let's see what the reaction is, it can't be thaaaat bad, can it?
I know there won't be that many on Pistonheads and if you are anything like me, even if you are, you maybe a lurker not a contributor.
Rather than send TVR lots of individual emails, I thought it may be a good idea to send one from the PH community.
I am not for one second elevating our importance or pretending to be more commercially astute than Les Edgar and his team (a very big part of me thinks this was a very clever exercise to gauge reaction - publicity and all that) rather than send an email about my feelings,I wonder if it would be a good idea to collate them in this thread.
I am not after the fix e.g. replace the wheels for spiders or completely change the Ford stalks for Pagani ones - just a list of things we would like the TVR team to consider.
After a few days, I don't think I want much now, but my list for them to consider is the following.
1. Front headlight arrangement
2. Fit and finish/quality of interior and materials
3. Wheels
4. Unpainted body option
I am not here to tell them what to do, just what I would like them to review for the production version.
I would be grateful if you could add anything you would like them to look at - In a couple of weeks, I will look through this - remove the expected witty/hateful/sarcastic/irrelevant comments and send an email referencing this discussion and the wiki regarding deposit holders, so they can see this is not one deposit holder's ramblings.
Thanks in advance
PS: I'm not saying you can't send them an email or speak to them, I'm sure they've been reading most of the vitriol on here and it's ruined their weekend, but maybe it would be a good idea to show our support whilst still thinking about the future of the company.
PPS: I'm having second thoughts about posting this now - but just like Les Edgar and my dad, it's too late to pull out, let's see what the reaction is, it can't be thaaaat bad, can it?
The fact it's here at all is a miracle.
It looks great.
The only think I can think of is allow owners the choice of different headlight or slight body arrangements, surely one or two headlight options is a bit of a Tvr thing, each car slightly individual is a very interesting and exciting trait, it's what gives each Tvr its own identity,,
If it's a Griff I feel it needs similar lights and nose shape To the Griff and I'd loved to have seen that or similar.
The ingredients seem to be there for a heck of a good handling car.
The Steering wheel looks too American to me but hey.
Good luck TVR
I'm not a deposit holder but if I were I'd be pretty chuffed with what they've done so far.
It looks great.
The only think I can think of is allow owners the choice of different headlight or slight body arrangements, surely one or two headlight options is a bit of a Tvr thing, each car slightly individual is a very interesting and exciting trait, it's what gives each Tvr its own identity,,
If it's a Griff I feel it needs similar lights and nose shape To the Griff and I'd loved to have seen that or similar.
The ingredients seem to be there for a heck of a good handling car.
The Steering wheel looks too American to me but hey.
Good luck TVR
I'm not a deposit holder but if I were I'd be pretty chuffed with what they've done so far.
I am a deposit holder and am not blown away, but am also told it looks much better in the flesh.
The wheels do look a little poop but they are the easiest things to change on a car.
The overall styling let's just say I won't confirm the order until I see it for real.
I am sure fit and finish will be miles better when the real cars turn up.
The wheels do look a little poop but they are the easiest things to change on a car.
The overall styling let's just say I won't confirm the order until I see it for real.
I am sure fit and finish will be miles better when the real cars turn up.
I'm not a depositor, but I would still suggest that they could make huge improvements to this design by re-styling that front end. The headlamps are not right, and the 'face' of the car needs some aggression to it. It could pass for an extra in Cars 2 as it sits - more Pixar than British bulldog I'm afraid.
I spent some time with the car this weekend, and eavesdropped many of the passersby- and sadly it's a common view.
Please make some adjustments TVR - you're nearly there.
I spent some time with the car this weekend, and eavesdropped many of the passersby- and sadly it's a common view.
Please make some adjustments TVR - you're nearly there.
Deposit holder here. Congratulations to Les and his team for making such good progress, pretty sure it's not been an easy journey but they have to keep pushing on, listening to what customers want. In return, they need our support, constructive criticism accepted,, but let's cut out the crap negativity based TVR of old. This is a clean sheet of paper....bar the badge??
I spent the day at Goodwood on Friday and had a good look around the car. I reckon it's 90% there but as you have indicated there are a few areas where it could be improved to persuade us to commit to purchase. The most important issue from my perspective is the design at the front as it doesn't gel as it is. For example, if they used a front design along the lines of the Toyota Supra Concept Or similar I would be 100% committed. I would like to see a no. of grill options on the table too and perhaps a more stylish wing mirror design as they are a bit bland. The alloys on the car look like they came off a Vauxhall imo and alternative options needed. On the positive side the rest of the exterior (side & rear) is close to spot-on??. As for the interior, I like it but the dash needs to be trimmed in better quality materials I.e. leather or exposed carbon - for longevity....and the indicator stalks need to be bespoke rather from a Fiesta. Just a few tweaks will make such a big difference and increase customer confidence. Looking forward to a greater level of interaction than we have had so far....but still confident that the 'dream team' will deliver.
I spent the day at Goodwood on Friday and had a good look around the car. I reckon it's 90% there but as you have indicated there are a few areas where it could be improved to persuade us to commit to purchase. The most important issue from my perspective is the design at the front as it doesn't gel as it is. For example, if they used a front design along the lines of the Toyota Supra Concept Or similar I would be 100% committed. I would like to see a no. of grill options on the table too and perhaps a more stylish wing mirror design as they are a bit bland. The alloys on the car look like they came off a Vauxhall imo and alternative options needed. On the positive side the rest of the exterior (side & rear) is close to spot-on??. As for the interior, I like it but the dash needs to be trimmed in better quality materials I.e. leather or exposed carbon - for longevity....and the indicator stalks need to be bespoke rather from a Fiesta. Just a few tweaks will make such a big difference and increase customer confidence. Looking forward to a greater level of interaction than we have had so far....but still confident that the 'dream team' will deliver.
Edited by Little Mac on Sunday 10th September 22:47
Edited by Little Mac on Sunday 10th September 22:48
As a deposit holder and MK2 Tusc S owner (my third tvr )and a lurker , I was a bit deflated by the styling at the reveal earlier this year and having pulled over into a lay by to watch the launch hoping that what i considered its shortcomings style wise were had been addressed, when the curtain went up I like everyone else couldn't really make much of the car out from the stream but I was honestly saddened by the autocar images, I wish they could change the 'puffin' headlights and smiley mouth a wee bit to give it a more aggressive look , the rest of the car including the interior is fine for me but only after watching shmees YouTube video which showed the proportions and styling better at normal heights, I'm still looking forward to seeing it in the flesh and will make my decision after that
As a deposit holder and MK2 Tusc S owner (my third tvr )and a lurker , I was a bit deflated by the styling at the reveal earlier this year and having pulled over into a lay by to watch the launch hoping that what i considered its shortcomings style wise were had been addressed, when the curtain went up I like everyone else couldn't really make much of the car out from the stream but I was honestly saddened by the autocar images, I wish they could change the 'puffin' headlights and smiley mouth a wee bit to give it a more aggressive look , the rest of the car including the interior is fine for me but only after watching shmees YouTube video which showed the proportions and styling better at normal heights, I'm still looking forward to seeing it in the flesh and will make my decision after that
I am a deposit holder, have been since they first week they were available, many moons ago.
Im gutted that I couldn't make Goodwood or the previous sneak previous for deposit holders.
I will refrain judgement until I can see it in the flesh myself, and to that end would be interested to know when and where the next opportunities to view it will be.
Im gutted that I couldn't make Goodwood or the previous sneak previous for deposit holders.
I will refrain judgement until I can see it in the flesh myself, and to that end would be interested to know when and where the next opportunities to view it will be.
Firstly well done to Les & the team. It's a brave thing they are attempting.
I suspect this thread will prove that you can't please all the people all the time. Hopefully the actual driving experience will outweigh any concerns about the clothes that the car is wearing?
Hope they roll off the production line soonest (and with door handles
)
I suspect this thread will prove that you can't please all the people all the time. Hopefully the actual driving experience will outweigh any concerns about the clothes that the car is wearing?
Hope they roll off the production line soonest (and with door handles
)Saw the car yesterday. Overall I think it's pretty amazing. The more you look at it and see the various design features the more you appreciate that this car is a properly designed car. Alloy wheels and body colour make the car look completely different and I don't think red is the best colour. The rear end looks very modern and aggressive but the front, whilst still nice, is a little too soft. I think a more aggressive grill would help, like the cheesegrater grill on the Tuscan and as shown on the graphic TVR released last year.
Colour choices will be important. I don't like red card so buyers need to have the choice of 4 or 5. Say red, silver, black, orange, blue. Buyers need also to be able to choose from 2 or 3 alloys and in silver or black as well as diamond cut finish which again is not to many people's taste.
Air vents & column stalks need to look more high end than they do.
Side exhaust, over all size and shape, seats, centre console all look fantastic.
The Gordon Murray Design badge is excellent.
Fantastic job by Les, GMD & the team. Can't wait to see it driven in anger and reviewed. Give it to Chris Harris first, arguably one of the top respected motoring journalists.
Colour choices will be important. I don't like red card so buyers need to have the choice of 4 or 5. Say red, silver, black, orange, blue. Buyers need also to be able to choose from 2 or 3 alloys and in silver or black as well as diamond cut finish which again is not to many people's taste.
Air vents & column stalks need to look more high end than they do.
Side exhaust, over all size and shape, seats, centre console all look fantastic.
The Gordon Murray Design badge is excellent.
Fantastic job by Les, GMD & the team. Can't wait to see it driven in anger and reviewed. Give it to Chris Harris first, arguably one of the top respected motoring journalists.
Saw the car on Friday and spoke at length with many of the enthusiast team on the stand! What a great bunch. The car is very technically impressive, the undertray is completely flat bleeding into the rear diffuser. The chassis construction example of istream looked reassuring and the deep involvement of GMD underpins what we all hope will translate into a great drive. It certainly has the ingredients to be a great drivers car. In order of importance I am most excited by; British, 5 ltr V8 and Gordon Murray's involvement.
Yes I agree the front end is the weakest visual link and the alloy wheels horrible. Red doesn't do it for me, however I am routing for TVR and gave them my money. Keep up the dream guys, I am excited to see how the journey unfolds.
Yes I agree the front end is the weakest visual link and the alloy wheels horrible. Red doesn't do it for me, however I am routing for TVR and gave them my money. Keep up the dream guys, I am excited to see how the journey unfolds.
Testarossa said:
Hi all
I know there won't be that many on Pistonheads and if you are anything like me, even if you are, you maybe a lurker not a contributor.
Rather than send TVR lots of individual emails, I thought it may be a good idea to send one from the PH community.
I am not for one second elevating our importance or pretending to be more commercially astute than Les Edgar and his team (a very big part of me thinks this was a very clever exercise to gauge reaction - publicity and all that) rather than send an email about my feelings,I wonder if it would be a good idea to collate them in this thread.
I am not after the fix e.g. replace the wheels for spiders or completely change the Ford stalks for Pagani ones - just a list of things we would like the TVR team to consider.
After a few days, I don't think I want much now, but my list for them to consider is the following.
1. Front headlight arrangement
2. Fit and finish/quality of interior and materials
3. Wheels
4. Unpainted body option
I am not here to tell them what to do, just what I would like them to review for the production version.
I would be grateful if you could add anything you would like them to look at - In a couple of weeks, I will look through this - remove the expected witty/hateful/sarcastic/irrelevant comments and send an email referencing this discussion and the wiki regarding deposit holders, so they can see this is not one deposit holder's ramblings.
Thanks in advance
PS: I'm not saying you can't send them an email or speak to them, I'm sure they've been reading most of the vitriol on here and it's ruined their weekend, but maybe it would be a good idea to show our support whilst still thinking about the future of the company.
PPS: I'm having second thoughts about posting this now - but just like Les Edgar and my dad, it's too late to pull out, let's see what the reaction is, it can't be thaaaat bad, can it?
1) front headlights are great.. I know there won't be that many on Pistonheads and if you are anything like me, even if you are, you maybe a lurker not a contributor.
Rather than send TVR lots of individual emails, I thought it may be a good idea to send one from the PH community.
I am not for one second elevating our importance or pretending to be more commercially astute than Les Edgar and his team (a very big part of me thinks this was a very clever exercise to gauge reaction - publicity and all that) rather than send an email about my feelings,I wonder if it would be a good idea to collate them in this thread.
I am not after the fix e.g. replace the wheels for spiders or completely change the Ford stalks for Pagani ones - just a list of things we would like the TVR team to consider.
After a few days, I don't think I want much now, but my list for them to consider is the following.
1. Front headlight arrangement
2. Fit and finish/quality of interior and materials
3. Wheels
4. Unpainted body option
I am not here to tell them what to do, just what I would like them to review for the production version.
I would be grateful if you could add anything you would like them to look at - In a couple of weeks, I will look through this - remove the expected witty/hateful/sarcastic/irrelevant comments and send an email referencing this discussion and the wiki regarding deposit holders, so they can see this is not one deposit holder's ramblings.
Thanks in advance
PS: I'm not saying you can't send them an email or speak to them, I'm sure they've been reading most of the vitriol on here and it's ruined their weekend, but maybe it would be a good idea to show our support whilst still thinking about the future of the company.
PPS: I'm having second thoughts about posting this now - but just like Les Edgar and my dad, it's too late to pull out, let's see what the reaction is, it can't be thaaaat bad, can it?
2) it is a prototype, yet i thought fit, finish was excellent!
3) moaning about the wheels is silly, and I think they look good against a different colour.
Also, they had the full size, clay model stickered up as a racing car, that had different wheels on it!
4)Unpainted Body Option?, they say it will be available in a range of colours (so what is your problem)
I'm a deposit holder and was at Goodwood for the press scrum.
I can understand the comments, all I can say is that it looks better in the flesh than in the pictures. I think the issue is one of scale, the car is not as big as the pictures seem to make it look.
I agree with the grille - too tame. Get a cheese grater in there.
Regarding the cheap stalks, I agree it doesn't look good, but personally I am more concerned about tactility, and at the end of the day I want the switches to work and keep working. I do think the stalks could be better even if the switch was retained.
We also need to remember that TVR went bust due to poor quality. If we want it to succeed then we must accept standard components and something with a wider audience. Just make sure this is a road car going to Le Mans, not a race car coming to the road.
I can understand the comments, all I can say is that it looks better in the flesh than in the pictures. I think the issue is one of scale, the car is not as big as the pictures seem to make it look.
I agree with the grille - too tame. Get a cheese grater in there.
Regarding the cheap stalks, I agree it doesn't look good, but personally I am more concerned about tactility, and at the end of the day I want the switches to work and keep working. I do think the stalks could be better even if the switch was retained.
We also need to remember that TVR went bust due to poor quality. If we want it to succeed then we must accept standard components and something with a wider audience. Just make sure this is a road car going to Le Mans, not a race car coming to the road.
I am a deposit holder...
First off I would like to congratulate the TVR team who have done a fantastic job, it must be extremely frustrating to read some of the comments given all the hours of hard work that has gone into this project so far. I want to point out that my views are shared purely on the basis of really wanting to own another TVR and are obviously my opinion and only meant in a constructive manner.
In reality no other car manufacturer would review forums and change well defined plans to suit a few buyers but given i really want to buy this car I will add my comments on the off chance that some changes might be possible...
1) The front headlights and grill are a real issue for me and the only thing making me question my order. I feel the headlights are too stubby and short thus making the front look like its been cut short rather than sweeping to a natural point . The grill looks to smiley and needs to be a different shape and more aggressive or something needs to be added to the space to break it up.
2) Wheel options would be good. Not keen on the current wheels.
Interior looks good to me and as per others comments here I would prefer well tested instruments rather than flashy switch gear that falls off in my hands.
I was fortunate and unfortunate in that I owned a bugger of a T350 that suffered all the gremlins reported e.g. fuel spit, top end engine failure, ECU failure etc etc so for me the engineering and reliability are crucial and so far this appears to be top on the agenda so I am very happy about that.
Whatever the outcome for me personally, I hope TVR make a success of this and if not now I can look to a future model.
First off I would like to congratulate the TVR team who have done a fantastic job, it must be extremely frustrating to read some of the comments given all the hours of hard work that has gone into this project so far. I want to point out that my views are shared purely on the basis of really wanting to own another TVR and are obviously my opinion and only meant in a constructive manner.
In reality no other car manufacturer would review forums and change well defined plans to suit a few buyers but given i really want to buy this car I will add my comments on the off chance that some changes might be possible...
1) The front headlights and grill are a real issue for me and the only thing making me question my order. I feel the headlights are too stubby and short thus making the front look like its been cut short rather than sweeping to a natural point . The grill looks to smiley and needs to be a different shape and more aggressive or something needs to be added to the space to break it up.
2) Wheel options would be good. Not keen on the current wheels.
Interior looks good to me and as per others comments here I would prefer well tested instruments rather than flashy switch gear that falls off in my hands.
I was fortunate and unfortunate in that I owned a bugger of a T350 that suffered all the gremlins reported e.g. fuel spit, top end engine failure, ECU failure etc etc so for me the engineering and reliability are crucial and so far this appears to be top on the agenda so I am very happy about that.
Whatever the outcome for me personally, I hope TVR make a success of this and if not now I can look to a future model.
Edited by scotty1 on Tuesday 12th September 11:24
Hi all
Firstly, thanks for your suggestions.
I must admit after reading other threads, it does look like most of my/our concerns have been addressed and I am not sure whether there is a need to talk to TVR and just wait for the next opportunity to view/specify the car,
I've summarised below;
The front (they are looking at it)
Interior quality, steering wheel (better in real life)
Wheels (options available colourwise)
Unpainted body (I think this is just me wanting to flaunt the carbon fibre but it may not look as sexy as I think - will ask when speccing)
Mirrors/stalks (not a deal breaker in any way)
So this has been a bit of a frivolous exercise but I am still grateful for your input, thank you!
Now, how do I delete this Topic?
Firstly, thanks for your suggestions.
I must admit after reading other threads, it does look like most of my/our concerns have been addressed and I am not sure whether there is a need to talk to TVR and just wait for the next opportunity to view/specify the car,
I've summarised below;
The front (they are looking at it)
Interior quality, steering wheel (better in real life)
Wheels (options available colourwise)
Unpainted body (I think this is just me wanting to flaunt the carbon fibre but it may not look as sexy as I think - will ask when speccing)
Mirrors/stalks (not a deal breaker in any way)
So this has been a bit of a frivolous exercise but I am still grateful for your input, thank you!
Now, how do I delete this Topic?
Testarossa said:
Hi all
Firstly, thanks for your suggestions.
I must admit after reading other threads, it does look like most of my/our concerns have been addressed and I am not sure whether there is a need to talk to TVR and just wait for the next opportunity to view/specify the car,
I've summarised below;
The front (they are looking at it)
Interior quality, steering wheel (better in real life)
Wheels (options available colourwise)
Unpainted body (I think this is just me wanting to flaunt the carbon fibre but it may not look as sexy as I think - will ask when speccing)
Mirrors/stalks (not a deal breaker in any way)
So this has been a bit of a frivolous exercise but I am still grateful for your input, thank you!
Now, how do I delete this Topic?
sorry I misunderstood.. ithink the carbon, is structural, not 'pretty' body zonda finish carbon, hence, carbon panels painted.. Firstly, thanks for your suggestions.
I must admit after reading other threads, it does look like most of my/our concerns have been addressed and I am not sure whether there is a need to talk to TVR and just wait for the next opportunity to view/specify the car,
I've summarised below;
The front (they are looking at it)
Interior quality, steering wheel (better in real life)
Wheels (options available colourwise)
Unpainted body (I think this is just me wanting to flaunt the carbon fibre but it may not look as sexy as I think - will ask when speccing)
Mirrors/stalks (not a deal breaker in any way)
So this has been a bit of a frivolous exercise but I am still grateful for your input, thank you!
Now, how do I delete this Topic?
ALSO.. click on the link (ignore the background video) and click the play button for a 1 minute video of an I stream chassis turning into a finished YELLOW TVR Griffith..
BJWoods said:
sorry I misunderstood.. I think the carbon, is structural, not 'pretty' body zonda finish carbon, hence, carbon panels painted..
ALSO.. click on the link (ignore the background video) and click the play button for a 1 minute video of an I stream chassis turning into a finished YELLOW TVR Griffith..
(I'm also a deposit holder since, July 2015)
ALSO.. click on the link (ignore the background video) and click the play button for a 1 minute video of an I stream chassis turning into a finished YELLOW TVR Griffith..
(I'm also a deposit holder since, July 2015)
I always wonder why car manufacturers fit stuff like fiesta indicator stalks. Surely they must realise its not going to go down well.
How much does an indicator stalk from a fiesta cost? lets assume £50. Why can't they use one from say a c class merc for £150 and just charge an extra £100.
I realise that could be said across the whole car but little things like those stalks are what people see and moan about.
How much does an indicator stalk from a fiesta cost? lets assume £50. Why can't they use one from say a c class merc for £150 and just charge an extra £100.
I realise that could be said across the whole car but little things like those stalks are what people see and moan about.
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