New TVR a huge disappointment. Not a TVR!
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As a TVR owner, enthusiast and TVR club member I was looking forward for the reveal at Goodwood of the new TVR. What a huge anti climax! I was expecting after the long wait and force promises a TVR with the wow factor, what a huge disappointment! The design is bland and boring, doesnt even look like a British sportscar. So the new TVR is a steel chassis, with a bit of carbonfibre stuck in the interior with fibreglass outside, an American crate engine which can be purchased on ebay for £5000 because they couldnt get a engine supplier. The new TVR is over priced and red, its supposed to be British, how about British racing green or TVR purple. Then Edgar barking on about DNA, what DNA, wheres the TVR flair and outrageous designs, nothing.
The new TVR is a dinosaur and definately not a TVR!
The new TVR is a dinosaur and definately not a TVR!
I agree! from the photos I was very disappointed too. but I suppose its horses for courses. I loved the finesse of the chimaera, cerb and tuscan, and personally felt the sagaris was heading toward boy racer design - this seems to have extrapolated that trend: vulgar and uninteresting rather than sleek, classic lines mixed with outrageous innovation which is what the marque means to me (as well as affordability).
In a world where there is no attractive designs, I can't believe this is what emerged from their market research. I read its better in the flesh, but a bizarre dated eighties throw back interior with a Frankenstein exterior of well worn cliches is a shame I think.
I wish them all the luck in the world, and hope theres plenty of people who disagree with me to help perpetuate the brand, but I can't see it happening...
In a world where there is no attractive designs, I can't believe this is what emerged from their market research. I read its better in the flesh, but a bizarre dated eighties throw back interior with a Frankenstein exterior of well worn cliches is a shame I think.
I wish them all the luck in the world, and hope theres plenty of people who disagree with me to help perpetuate the brand, but I can't see it happening...
Black Tasmin said:
As a TVR owner, enthusiast and TVR club member I was looking forward for the reveal at Goodwood of the new TVR. What a huge anti climax! I was expecting after the long wait and force promises a TVR with the wow factor, what a huge disappointment! The design is bland and boring, doesnt even look like a British sportscar. So the new TVR is a steel chassis, with a bit of carbonfibre stuck in the interior with fibreglass outside, an American crate engine which can be purchased on ebay for £5000 because they couldnt get a engine supplier. The new TVR is over priced and red, its supposed to be British, how about British racing green or TVR purple. Then Edgar barking on about DNA, what DNA, wheres the TVR flair and outrageous designs, nothing.
The new TVR is a dinosaur and definately not a TVR!
Tell you what - you build one, build up a business with something better, then put it to the owners and see what they thinkThe new TVR is a dinosaur and definately not a TVR!
essexstu said:
For a boring bland design they have done pretty well selling almost all 500 cars then haven't they.
To be pedantic, they haven't sold any cars yet and the majority of the deposits they attracted are based on a promise to build a new TVR...Blind faith if you like and really pleasing to see LEs vision supported in that way.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 11th September 08:50
TVRMs said:
To be pedantic, they haven't sold any cars yet and the majority of the deposits they attracted are based on a promise to build a new TVR...
Blind faith if you like and really pleasing to see LEs vision supported in that way.
Ok ok, sold as in secured by payment of a deposit. Interesting that at the initial reveal back in March, after seeing the model 8 depositeers asked for their money back but more than double that put down a new deposit. As with any new design, you are not going to please all of the people all of the time. It seems that TVR has at least pleased 500 people and that's what matters at this stage.Blind faith if you like and really pleasing to see LEs vision supported in that way.
Edited by TVRMs on Monday 11th September 08:50
I have to say the car looks much better in the flesh than on a screen. As has been said before "you can't please all the people all the time" but the main headlines that most people talk about when you mention TVR are; reliability, V8, noisy, performance and looks. So with Gordon Murray designing the chassis, a well proven American V8, noisy exhausts and 200mph I think they've ticked most of boxes. Personally I thought it looked very nice so I'll be very happy to spend my money on completing my order. It's not going to be everyones cup of tea but then that's what makes car ownership fun, you get to choose what you like. It would be nice if people thought of the new Griff as Les's new born baby needing encouragement to fulfill its potential rather than being strangled at birth.
Like many old PHers, I’ve had new TVR models before and the owner does much of the testing and development and finds out what’s wrong with the car. At least in the past there was an extensive and experienced dealer network. In fact PHs started as a place where owners could find out how to fix all the stuff that went wrong with these magnificent cars.
What’s the score with this new model? Are there lots of dealerships that can fix it? For me the engines were all bulletproof, it was all the leaking and electrics and random things like the trim or doors opening by themselves or roof coming off that caused me problems.
I agree also that it’s bland, I can’t see any TVR dna at all. We bought TVRs before because they were loud and fast and looked like nothing else, this is dull and soulless like a Porsche or some other mass produced consumer good. The trouble is that it doesn’t have the brand to attract people wanting to show off and doesn’t have the wow of old school TVRs
I hope it does well but it’s not for me either,
What’s the score with this new model? Are there lots of dealerships that can fix it? For me the engines were all bulletproof, it was all the leaking and electrics and random things like the trim or doors opening by themselves or roof coming off that caused me problems.
I agree also that it’s bland, I can’t see any TVR dna at all. We bought TVRs before because they were loud and fast and looked like nothing else, this is dull and soulless like a Porsche or some other mass produced consumer good. The trouble is that it doesn’t have the brand to attract people wanting to show off and doesn’t have the wow of old school TVRs
I hope it does well but it’s not for me either,
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 11th September 10:34
I didn't get a chance to look underneath it but with the exhaust positioning I would bet it has a flat or close to flat floor, so maybe the first non-race prepared TVR with a proper ground effect aero package. I think I heard that the wheelbase is 16 inches longer than the previous Griffith which if correct will improve stability. It has optional traction control, as did F1 cars until a few years ago, and ABS, it has a modern American V8 not a very old American V8. Styling is a very subjective issue but love it or hate it surely no one can deny that from a technical and drivability perspective it is a step forward for the marque, and the only thing that disappoints me is a can't afford one.
Edited by eff eff on Monday 11th September 11:21
KevinCamaroSS said:
Hmmm, I quite like it. OP, I had a wedge as well, steel chassis, crate american engine.......
To describe the heavily reworked Mustang engine as a 'crate engine available for £5K on ebay' is being very economical with the truth don't you think?
However the Mule is a cerbera running one, is this now seen as a valid engine replacement alternative rather than the LS3 route?To describe the heavily reworked Mustang engine as a 'crate engine available for £5K on ebay' is being very economical with the truth don't you think?
If so, some pointers to this £5k, 500bhp engine would be interesting to some.
Hum $8.5k
http://www.ebay.com/itm/M-6007-M50AK-2015-5-0L-COY...
$14k with transmission
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Performance-5-0L-Coyo...
Have TVR ever made a car that everybody liked, No, so nothing new there. But this is a far better put together car, and it does NOT have a £5k crate engine that is unkind and misleading. It is fast, noisy, looks well engineered so that is all good and I am guessing reliable as it has had extensive testing although time will tell. So the styling is not everyone's cup of tea then, so exactly like every other TVR ever produced.
natben said:
Have TVR ever made a car that everybody liked, No, so nothing new there. But this is a far better put together car, and it does NOT have a £5k crate engine that is unkind and misleading. It is fast, noisy, looks well engineered so that is all good and I am guessing reliable as it has had extensive testing although time will tell. So the styling is not everyone's cup of tea then, so exactly like every other TVR ever produced.
TVRs DNA is about striking looks and emotion and rebellion and making cars unlike any other.This car is just a combination of other cars and lacks any of the wow TVRs had.
There were TVRs I didn’t like but they were all obviously TVRs and all turned heads. They were unlike anything else. This one is just a bit dull and could be made by any manufacturer.
eff eff said:
I didn't get a chance to look underneath it but with the exhaust positioning I would bet it has a flat or close to flat floor, so maybe the first non-race prepared TVR with a proper ground effect aero package. I think I heard that the wheelbase is 16 inches longer than the previous Griffith which if correct will improve stability. It has optional traction control, as did F1 cars until a few years ago, and ABS, it has a modern American V8 not a very old American V8. Styling is a very subjective issue but love it or hate it surely no one can deny that from a technical and drivability perspective it is a step forward for the marque, and the only thing that disappoints me is a can't afford one.
Just my pennies worth and I will leave it thereEdited by eff eff on Monday 11th September 11:21
Les Edgar at many meetings and in the press as said that the design was already there so that it can entered into Le Mans and they worked the race design back to a road car so it would be easier to get it approved by the ACO rather than the other way road as getting a road going car adapted to the ACO requirements, hence the ground effect, big rear diffuser, longer wheel base etc, Les Edgar also said that the styling would not be out there like Sags and other TVR,s and much more subdued, its more or less what I expected to see and similar to the Auto Sport drawings so I am not surprised, I find it a bit marmite but I would still like to see it in the flesh and wish the new TVR every success and then maybe a bit more outrageous design might follow
El stovey said:
There were TVRs I didn’t like but they were all obviously TVRs and all turned heads. They were unlike anything else. This one is just a bit dull and could be made by any manufacturer.
And all those that used to turn heads were produced when you didn't have stringent pedestrian protection items that manufacturers now have to comply with.Gassing Station | General TVR Stuff & Gossip | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff