Number Plates and a thought
Number Plates and a thought
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david010167

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1,397 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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I was just reading another thread aboiut Number Plates, fonts and plate size, and that the idea of reducing the plate size aids air flow to cool the engine, but it is illegal.

I had a thought (no don't panic), what if you took a normal number plate, and with the right tools cut out the letters and numbers, then covered the back of the plate with a black woven mesh.

Would this aid cooling, as air could now go straight through the cut out letter/number shapes, and secondly is this illegal?


David

madcop

6,649 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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It would be illegal because the regulation says that the background to the index number must be reflective white at the front and yellow at the rear.

There is no regulation about the size of the plate as long as the characters are regulation size.

roadsweeper

3,789 posts

290 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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What about drilling holes in the plate then? I can see the pub conversation now...

Mate: "So I hear you've upgraded you car?"
Me: "Yeah, it's got the Zertec headlamp upgrade* and a cross-drilled and skimmed front plate."



:gettingmycoat:

*Coming soon I hope.

RiverGirrl

857 posts

297 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Hmmmmmm.......

incorrigible

13,668 posts

277 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Upgraded the plates to kenlow ones

Good fer anuver 10 hp that init

david010167

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1,397 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Think you may of misunderstood, I mean cut out the letters and throw them away, then using the reflective plate, back it with black grill. The air then gos through the letter cut outs, and the plate is still reflective.

So if the regs say the background must be yellow or white it still will be, my question is rather, what does the regs say about the letters and numbers it self.

David

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It would be illegal because the regulation says that the background to the index number must be reflective white at the front and yellow at the rear.

There is no regulation about the size of the plate as long as the characters are regulation size.

david010167

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1,397 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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I was thinking about sanding it thinner to save some weight must be worth an extra 0.001 BHP.

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Upgraded the plates to kenlow ones

Good fer anuver 10 hp that init

jacksdad

307 posts

278 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Why can't we get a sticky one and put it on the bonnet ?

Honest question.

roadsweeper

3,789 posts

290 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Hmmmmmm.......
You mean you don't think it's a great idea?! What's wrong with you woman?! The holes should mean that the engine will rev higher and produce more power whilst simultaneously reducing emmissions and fuel consumption. They will also make the car undetectable by Gatsos and result in a substantial increase in downforce and top speed.
The next MAX POWER accessory has been invented! (Well, it's better than blue windscreen washer lights!)

On a serious note, honest, I am actually cutting my front plate down as it is a short number and the additional cooling should genuinely benefit the car IMO.

raceboy

13,481 posts

296 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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I've actually seen a number plate like you 1st mentioned on an early Chimaera, from a distance you could not tell it was different, or you could just move the plate like mine

>> Edited by raceboy on Friday 20th September 14:27

roadsweeper

3,789 posts

290 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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[quot]Think you may of misunderstood, I mean cut out the letters and throw them away, then using the reflective plate, back it with black grill. The air then gos through the letter cut outs, and the plate is still reflective.

So if the regs say the background must be yellow or white it still will be, my question is rather, what does the regs say about the letters and numbers it self.

A cunning plan, but going back to my fluid dynamics days I suspect the airflow increase you would get would be very small (it's likely that there would be also sorts of recirculating flows, etc., behind the plate) and maybe not worth that level of effort? Cutting down the plate should achieve a good reduction in air flow though.
I like your thinking though!

>> Edited by roadsweeper on Friday 20th September 14:30

david010167

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1,397 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Interesting. Fluid dynamics, back pressure, ground force effect and that French chap Benulie (can not spell) suction effect of fluid (and air) over a surface if two surfaces are in close contact.

Ahhhh, must stop thinking to much.... must do my job....must just saw bit of end of plate....head hurts....

David


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[quot]Think you may of misunderstood, I mean cut out the letters and throw them away, then using the reflective plate, back it with black grill. The air then gos through the letter cut outs, and the plate is still reflective.

So if the regs say the background must be yellow or white it still will be, my question is rather, what does the regs say about the letters and numbers it self.

A cunning plan, but going back to my fluid dynamics days I suspect the airflow increase you would get would be very small (it's likely that there would be also sorts of recirculating flows, etc., behind the plate) and maybe not worth that level of effort? Cutting down the plate should achieve a good reduction in air flow though.
I like your thinking though!

>> Edited by roadsweeper on Friday 20th September 14:30

wedg1e

26,948 posts

281 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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You can! Just expect to be pulled by the rozzers for failing to comply with Construction & Use Regulation 123, Para. 4, subsection v, note 1. Or whatever ;-)
The plate MUST be a flat plate mounted vertically. It's only tradition that allows E-type Jaguar drivers to get away with the vinyl plate wrapped around the bonnet. I actually had one on my Spitfire years ago, but the Police couldn't read it at 30,000 feet anyway....

Ian


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Why can't we get a sticky one and put it on the bonnet ?

Honest question.

jacksdad

307 posts

278 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Thanks Wedg1e, have always thought the Chim would look good with a sticky one !

SGirl

7,922 posts

277 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Mine came with a sticky one as standard - it's only now someone has moved the goalposts that it's illegal.

Hope I don't have to get a nose respray...

madcop

6,649 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Think you may of misunderstood, I mean cut out the letters and throw them away, then using the reflective plate, back it with black grill. The air then gos through the letter cut outs, and the plate is still reflective.

So if the regs say the background must be yellow or white it still will be, my question is rather, what does the regs say about the letters and numbers it self.

David




Sorry, I should have said that the regulation states that the characters should be Black on reflective white or yellow. I presume that if you cut the characters out, they would no longer infact be actually on the reflective background and therefore you would still commit an offence. Whether anyone would actually take you to task over this, I couldn't say (a jobsworth might to make a point).

The worst you might expect would be a nonendorseable FPT or a Vehicle Defect Rectification Notice, which are a bit of a pain in the ar5e

sb930turbo

3,340 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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My Griff has a small front No.plate, don't know whether it is legal though.Was like it when I bought it.
Steve

david010167

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1,397 posts

279 months

Friday 20th September 2002
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Ahh, thanks Madcop, I think I will just cut the plate smaller.

David

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Think you may of misunderstood, I mean cut out the letters and throw them away, then using the reflective plate, back it with black grill. The air then gos through the letter cut outs, and the plate is still reflective.

So if the regs say the background must be yellow or white it still will be, my question is rather, what does the regs say about the letters and numbers it self.

David




Sorry, I should have said that the regulation states that the characters should be Black on reflective white or yellow. I presume that if you cut the characters out, they would no longer infact be actually on the reflective background and therefore you would still commit an offence. Whether anyone would actually take you to task over this, I couldn't say (a jobsworth might to make a point).

The worst you might expect would be a nonendorseable FPT or a Vehicle Defect Rectification Notice, which are a bit of a pain in the ar5e