help more leaks than a sieve
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help i need someone to go over my car to check for leaks and seal them!! ive just gone out to my car and its leaking from more places than it used to and im not sure where the water is getting in. its coming in from behind the passengers seat and footwell and my footwell gets about 5mm of water in it!! so can anyone recommend someone near luton to do it for me? cheers andy
Bloody hell Andy your nearly having as much Bad Luck as me.
Right Take out the Mats in each footwell.
Grab Misses by cuff of neck and take down Powerwash with you and guilty griff.
Now get her to sit inside and spy for leaks why you spray (not to close) around doors, inner wheel arches and around Front window bottom.
Try to simulate Travelling in the Rain,suppose u could try at home with a water hose first.
Most common places are windscreen wipers bolt/ Door seals /around the brake fluid hatch.
Check the carpets around the sides to see how far up the water has gone as this might point to where its getting in.
All the best
BB
Right Take out the Mats in each footwell.
Grab Misses by cuff of neck and take down Powerwash with you and guilty griff.
Now get her to sit inside and spy for leaks why you spray (not to close) around doors, inner wheel arches and around Front window bottom.
Try to simulate Travelling in the Rain,suppose u could try at home with a water hose first.
Most common places are windscreen wipers bolt/ Door seals /around the brake fluid hatch.
Check the carpets around the sides to see how far up the water has gone as this might point to where its getting in.
All the best
BB
Dunno if the Griff has the same/simular door layout with seals as a Wedge but a few cut outs on the bottom of the rubbers to let water out instead of spilling in. And a flap that tips it out from the drain channel from the targa top to the out side.
Again, no idea as to the layout of the seals on yours but works on mine if it is simular.
Also the condition of the hood. If it is absorbant then osmosis comes in to it so better protection/sealing for the hood, causing runoff not absorbing and finding its way in.
Again, no idea as to the layout of the seals on yours but works on mine if it is simular.
Also the condition of the hood. If it is absorbant then osmosis comes in to it so better protection/sealing for the hood, causing runoff not absorbing and finding its way in.
Andy
There's a string of spots where the water can get in. Here's some:
- There should be a rubber ear at the bottom of the hood where the driver and passenger doors meet the body. The ear stops water tracking along between the two strips of velcro and getting in that way.
- A hood that has not been protected with Thomsons, or one of the other water sealers will ooze water which usually drips down behind the seats.
- The windows on a Griff sometimes don't meet the rubber surround. It is common for the glass not to meet the rubber and the windows do drop. They can be adjusted but it is also worth applying some vaseline to the rubber to make the seal a bit better.
- There's loads of cables and bits of loom that enter the cabin through the bulkhead. They are sealed (normally) with solicon sealer etc and often break down, letting a surprisingly large amount of water into the footwell.
- The early Griffs suffered a lot from air forcing water up between the bottom of the doors and the sills. Later on the seals were modded and there's a groove to help prevent this. Might be worth looking at a later one and trying a DIY version of the mod.
I'm sure there's more Griff owners about who can make further suggestions. If you wanted to get together for a root around the car I'd be happy to oblige.
Has it just started swimming since the pissy weather started?
AF
There's a string of spots where the water can get in. Here's some:
- There should be a rubber ear at the bottom of the hood where the driver and passenger doors meet the body. The ear stops water tracking along between the two strips of velcro and getting in that way.
- A hood that has not been protected with Thomsons, or one of the other water sealers will ooze water which usually drips down behind the seats.
- The windows on a Griff sometimes don't meet the rubber surround. It is common for the glass not to meet the rubber and the windows do drop. They can be adjusted but it is also worth applying some vaseline to the rubber to make the seal a bit better.
- There's loads of cables and bits of loom that enter the cabin through the bulkhead. They are sealed (normally) with solicon sealer etc and often break down, letting a surprisingly large amount of water into the footwell.
- The early Griffs suffered a lot from air forcing water up between the bottom of the doors and the sills. Later on the seals were modded and there's a groove to help prevent this. Might be worth looking at a later one and trying a DIY version of the mod.
I'm sure there's more Griff owners about who can make further suggestions. If you wanted to get together for a root around the car I'd be happy to oblige.
Has it just started swimming since the pissy weather started?
AF
on the drivers side the water seemed to be coming in on the transmission tunnel side and the water actually comes from under the carpet wall(no signs of a damp wall but water comes out the gap at the bottom) i thought it was from the heater vent but i can't see any water from any of the holes or on any of the pipes that lead in to the footwell???
I had exactly the same problems with my Chimaera and have finally got all the leaks. The water under the footwell carpet was the most tricky to trace, but it was coming in the door seal. Where the leather edging on the carpet tucked under the rubber seal was the worst point. I took the seal off from windscreen height right round to the door lock. I trimmed off the leather edging as it doesn't show under the seal and then ran a bead of Thompson's Roof and Gutter sealant (£3.99 from Homebase) round the entire length on the fibreglass where the seal sits having cleaned everything with white spirit, then replaced the seal. Took 20 minutes and stopped the water ingress completely.
Other places under the bonnet to check are all the little rivets on the engine/chasis number plates, I sealed round all those, I also had water coming in through the rivets just below where the windscreen attaches to the bulkhead. If you lie on the floor with a torch when it's raining at night you can see the water coming through much better..... it fascinates the neighbours as well !!
Other places under the bonnet to check are all the little rivets on the engine/chasis number plates, I sealed round all those, I also had water coming in through the rivets just below where the windscreen attaches to the bulkhead. If you lie on the floor with a torch when it's raining at night you can see the water coming through much better..... it fascinates the neighbours as well !!
had a similar prob recently. took out all the mats and got under the car with a torch. my misses saw were light was coming thru and managed to seal up the holes. these were tiny by the way so not visible to normal light. had a couple under the mats which usualy got soaked. just filled them in with sealant and all now sorted. if the roof leaks try "fabsil" which you can get from any camping shop etc. all the best.
Check around the seat mounting points, that can be a favourite and a bit dangerous if the bolts are corroding 
Also if the side windows aren't meeting the rubber a good way to seal it, if only to check, is to run a coat hanger (flattened out helps) down the hole through the rubber seal. That will flesh it out a bit and help it meet the window.
I have also seen them leak through a neglected roof. Also I have noticed a black running strip on my doors on my new Griff which wasn't there on the old one ( 98 as opposed to a 94). This is accompanied by less water getting on to the kick plates etc.
Hope this helps a bit
Cheers
DC
Also if the side windows aren't meeting the rubber a good way to seal it, if only to check, is to run a coat hanger (flattened out helps) down the hole through the rubber seal. That will flesh it out a bit and help it meet the window.
I have also seen them leak through a neglected roof. Also I have noticed a black running strip on my doors on my new Griff which wasn't there on the old one ( 98 as opposed to a 94). This is accompanied by less water getting on to the kick plates etc.
Hope this helps a bit
Cheers
DC
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