How will the Bertone TVRs be manufactured?
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Hi
Just wondering -
How will the Bertone TVRs be manufactured?
Will they try to transpose the Bristol Avenue factory experience on to Turin?
Will they change to steel or aluminium bodies?
Will they develope a monocoque rather than chassis/bodytub shell?
Will they stick with the tubular steel spaceframe chassis?
Have they already got a trained workforce?
Surely with a proposed 2007 production run of 500 units NS has this all sorted?
Ricardo
Just wondering -
How will the Bertone TVRs be manufactured?
Will they try to transpose the Bristol Avenue factory experience on to Turin?
Will they change to steel or aluminium bodies?
Will they develope a monocoque rather than chassis/bodytub shell?
Will they stick with the tubular steel spaceframe chassis?
Have they already got a trained workforce?
Surely with a proposed 2007 production run of 500 units NS has this all sorted?
Ricardo
Edited by Ricardo Bertone on Saturday 28th October 13:12
hMMMM! VERY TOPICAL ALIAS, 'RICARDO'.
I THINK BONDED ALLOY CHASSIS AND PLASTIC POLYMER MOULDED BODY, TO INCREASE THE PERCEIVED QUALITY OF THE BRAND. I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE TVRS AS A BIT 'KIT-CAR' BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE BUILT BY HAND ON JIGS WITH LOADS OF MANUAL BODY FILLING AND FINISHING. NICK S WANTS TO APPEAL TO MORE PEOPLE.....BUT IS IT AFFORDABLE?
I PERSONALLY THINK THE APPROACH OF ASTON WITH THE HYDROFORMED/EXTRUDED CHASSIS SECTIONS BONDED/BOLTED TOGETHER GIVES 'A FEELING' OF HIGHER QUALITY THAN TUBULAR STEEL AND GLASSFIBRE. lOTUS USE THIS FOR THEIR ELISE CHASSIS ALTHOUGH ITS NOT MONOCOQUE IS IT? THE PLASTIC BODY PANELS USED BY RENAULT AND SMART ARE NOT GLASSFIBRE ARE THEY? I THOUGHT THEY WERE POLYCARBONATE OR A.B.S OR SOMETHING LIKE. THEY 'FEEL' OF A HIGHER QUALITY AND ACCURACY THAN GLASSFIBRE.
I THINK BONDED ALLOY CHASSIS AND PLASTIC POLYMER MOULDED BODY, TO INCREASE THE PERCEIVED QUALITY OF THE BRAND. I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE TVRS AS A BIT 'KIT-CAR' BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE BUILT BY HAND ON JIGS WITH LOADS OF MANUAL BODY FILLING AND FINISHING. NICK S WANTS TO APPEAL TO MORE PEOPLE.....BUT IS IT AFFORDABLE?
I PERSONALLY THINK THE APPROACH OF ASTON WITH THE HYDROFORMED/EXTRUDED CHASSIS SECTIONS BONDED/BOLTED TOGETHER GIVES 'A FEELING' OF HIGHER QUALITY THAN TUBULAR STEEL AND GLASSFIBRE. lOTUS USE THIS FOR THEIR ELISE CHASSIS ALTHOUGH ITS NOT MONOCOQUE IS IT? THE PLASTIC BODY PANELS USED BY RENAULT AND SMART ARE NOT GLASSFIBRE ARE THEY? I THOUGHT THEY WERE POLYCARBONATE OR A.B.S OR SOMETHING LIKE. THEY 'FEEL' OF A HIGHER QUALITY AND ACCURACY THAN GLASSFIBRE.
All that sounds great kANEIT - BUT back in the real world what is achievable if a production run of 500 units is proposed for 2007, i.e. two months away?
Unless there has been alot of clandestine activity and porky pie telling by NS any production is going to be a MIRACLE.
Are we maybe just dealing with a dillusionist of MEGA proportions?
Unless there has been alot of clandestine activity and porky pie telling by NS any production is going to be a MIRACLE.
Are we maybe just dealing with a dillusionist of MEGA proportions?
kANEIT said:
hMMMM! VERY TOPICAL ALIAS, 'RICARDO'.
I THINK BONDED ALLOY CHASSIS AND PLASTIC POLYMER MOULDED BODY, TO INCREASE THE PERCEIVED QUALITY OF THE BRAND. I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE TVRS AS A BIT 'KIT-CAR' BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE BUILT BY HAND ON JIGS WITH LOADS OF MANUAL BODY FILLING AND FINISHING. NICK S WANTS TO APPEAL TO MORE PEOPLE.....BUT IS IT AFFORDABLE?
I PERSONALLY THINK THE APPROACH OF ASTON WITH THE HYDROFORMED/EXTRUDED CHASSIS SECTIONS BONDED/BOLTED TOGETHER GIVES 'A FEELING' OF HIGHER QUALITY THAN TUBULAR STEEL AND GLASSFIBRE. lOTUS USE THIS FOR THEIR ELISE CHASSIS ALTHOUGH ITS NOT MONOCOQUE IS IT? THE PLASTIC BODY PANELS USED BY RENAULT AND SMART ARE NOT GLASSFIBRE ARE THEY? I THOUGHT THEY WERE POLYCARBONATE OR A.B.S OR SOMETHING LIKE. THEY 'FEEL' OF A HIGHER QUALITY AND ACCURACY THAN GLASSFIBRE.
I THINK BONDED ALLOY CHASSIS AND PLASTIC POLYMER MOULDED BODY, TO INCREASE THE PERCEIVED QUALITY OF THE BRAND. I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE TVRS AS A BIT 'KIT-CAR' BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE BUILT BY HAND ON JIGS WITH LOADS OF MANUAL BODY FILLING AND FINISHING. NICK S WANTS TO APPEAL TO MORE PEOPLE.....BUT IS IT AFFORDABLE?
I PERSONALLY THINK THE APPROACH OF ASTON WITH THE HYDROFORMED/EXTRUDED CHASSIS SECTIONS BONDED/BOLTED TOGETHER GIVES 'A FEELING' OF HIGHER QUALITY THAN TUBULAR STEEL AND GLASSFIBRE. lOTUS USE THIS FOR THEIR ELISE CHASSIS ALTHOUGH ITS NOT MONOCOQUE IS IT? THE PLASTIC BODY PANELS USED BY RENAULT AND SMART ARE NOT GLASSFIBRE ARE THEY? I THOUGHT THEY WERE POLYCARBONATE OR A.B.S OR SOMETHING LIKE. THEY 'FEEL' OF A HIGHER QUALITY AND ACCURACY THAN GLASSFIBRE.
Renault panels are def not fibreglass, the front wings on my Laguna are plastic and are very flexible
puffsorted2 said:
kANEIT said:
hMMMM! VERY TOPICAL ALIAS, 'RICARDO'.
I THINK BONDED ALLOY CHASSIS AND PLASTIC POLYMER MOULDED BODY, TO INCREASE THE PERCEIVED QUALITY OF THE BRAND. I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE TVRS AS A BIT 'KIT-CAR' BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE BUILT BY HAND ON JIGS WITH LOADS OF MANUAL BODY FILLING AND FINISHING. NICK S WANTS TO APPEAL TO MORE PEOPLE.....BUT IS IT AFFORDABLE?
I PERSONALLY THINK THE APPROACH OF ASTON WITH THE HYDROFORMED/EXTRUDED CHASSIS SECTIONS BONDED/BOLTED TOGETHER GIVES 'A FEELING' OF HIGHER QUALITY THAN TUBULAR STEEL AND GLASSFIBRE. lOTUS USE THIS FOR THEIR ELISE CHASSIS ALTHOUGH ITS NOT MONOCOQUE IS IT? THE PLASTIC BODY PANELS USED BY RENAULT AND SMART ARE NOT GLASSFIBRE ARE THEY? I THOUGHT THEY WERE POLYCARBONATE OR A.B.S OR SOMETHING LIKE. THEY 'FEEL' OF A HIGHER QUALITY AND ACCURACY THAN GLASSFIBRE.
I THINK BONDED ALLOY CHASSIS AND PLASTIC POLYMER MOULDED BODY, TO INCREASE THE PERCEIVED QUALITY OF THE BRAND. I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE TVRS AS A BIT 'KIT-CAR' BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE BUILT BY HAND ON JIGS WITH LOADS OF MANUAL BODY FILLING AND FINISHING. NICK S WANTS TO APPEAL TO MORE PEOPLE.....BUT IS IT AFFORDABLE?
I PERSONALLY THINK THE APPROACH OF ASTON WITH THE HYDROFORMED/EXTRUDED CHASSIS SECTIONS BONDED/BOLTED TOGETHER GIVES 'A FEELING' OF HIGHER QUALITY THAN TUBULAR STEEL AND GLASSFIBRE. lOTUS USE THIS FOR THEIR ELISE CHASSIS ALTHOUGH ITS NOT MONOCOQUE IS IT? THE PLASTIC BODY PANELS USED BY RENAULT AND SMART ARE NOT GLASSFIBRE ARE THEY? I THOUGHT THEY WERE POLYCARBONATE OR A.B.S OR SOMETHING LIKE. THEY 'FEEL' OF A HIGHER QUALITY AND ACCURACY THAN GLASSFIBRE.
Renault panels are def not fibreglass, the front wings on my Laguna are plastic and are very flexible
Edited by sen 18 on Friday 27th October 13:44
Ricardo Bertone said:
All that sounds great kANEIT - BUT back in the real world what is achievable if a production run of 500 units is proposed for 2007, i.e. two months away?
Unless there has been alot of clandestine activity and porky pie telling by NS any production is going to be a MIRACLE.
Are we maybe just dealing with a dillusionist of MEGA proportions?
Unless there has been alot of clandestine activity and porky pie telling by NS any production is going to be a MIRACLE.
Are we maybe just dealing with a dillusionist of MEGA proportions?
I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS POSSIBLE AND REALISTIC RIGHT NOW, JUST THE NEXT BEST LOW VOLUME ALTERNATIVE TO TUBE CHASSIS AND GRP MOULDED BODIES, IN THE LONG TERM, IF THEY REALLY HAVE TO CHOOSE ANOTHER ROUTE. SURELY THE ONLY REASON TO GO TO BERTONE IS BECAUSE MR S WANTS TO BUILD TVRS USING DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES? OTHERWISE WHATS THE POINT OF THE MOVE IF THEY ARE TO DO THE SAME THING BUT IN A DIFFERNET COUNTRY? IS NICK SMOLENSKI TRYING TO SAY BERTONE WILL DO A BETTER JOB OF WELDING TUBE CHASSIS AND LAYING UP FIBREGLASS THAN THE BLACKPOOL LADS? I THINK THE PRODUCTION RUN SHOULD BE WRITTEN OFF AS IMPRACTICAL FOR A YEAR, TVR LAYING DORMANT WHILE DEVELOPING THEIR MANUFACTURING SETUP AND WORKING ON P.R
, AS I THINK THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT SQUARE ONE RIGHT NOW, STARTING JUST ABOUT FROM SCRATCH.
snorky said:
didn't espaces used to be f/glass ?
I have a T350 and a Renault Espace sitting outside in the driveway.
The finish and overall quality of the T350 is way, way ahead of the Espace. In fact the quality of the bodywork finish compared to most mass produced machines was one of the [many] things that attracted me to the car.
The Espace does use plastic panels (I presume ABS), not fibreglass. Only the most recent Espace uses a steel body (and weighs a lot more as a result...:-( ).
Personally I think the quality of finish that can be obtained, indeed is obtained, by TVR is every bit as high as an ABS or steel panelled car. I suspect the downside is how labour intensive a process it is to achieve this level of quality. The 'kit car' feeling in a TVR is (IMO) more due to the somewhat haphazard way much of the trim etc. is fitted to the bodyshell, rather than the material used to build it.
Cheers,
Jerry
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