RE: TVR production melts down
RE: TVR production melts down
Wednesday 3rd January 2007

TVR production melts down

Blackpool statement raises more questions


TVR's Bristol Avenue factory
TVR's Bristol Avenue factory
Is TVR on its last legs?

Over the quiet Xmas break, the typically taciturn company from Blackpool issued a statement that confuses as much as it enlightens.

As a private company, TVR doesn't have to reveal much information, but it appears from the statement reproduced below that it's been split into at least three parts. There seems to be a holding company, plus two wholly-owned divisions: TVR, which will presumably act as a sales and marketing operation, and a production division, Blackpool Automotive.

And Blackpool Automotive has been placed into administration, said TVR, prior to its move abroad, which was announced in October, although the parent company remains in operation.

TVR's statement

Following TVR's announcement in October that it was to discontinue in-house production of its cars in favour of outsourcing, the company sold off its manufacturing division, Blackpool Automotive Ltd, which has subsequently been put into administration by its new shareholders.

Although it is unfortunate that Blackpool Automotive has gone into administration, TVR and its parent company remain in operation. Normal business continues for the prestige sports car company and its network of authorised dealers and service centres throughout the UK and abroad. Current warranties and the supply of parts also remain unaffected.

David Oxley, TVR's managing director, said: "It is unfortunate that production could not continue as it had done for so many years, but it is time for TVR to move on and to meet increasing international demands. Our plans include appointing expert partners and outsourcing to more advanced facilities, which will ultimately mean a better product for everyone, both here in the domestic market and internationally."

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It will be interesting to see how TVR continues business as normal while its production facility is non-existent.

Despite numerous attempts, PistonHeads was unable to reach anyone at TVR -- no-one's answering the phone -- but we'll bring you more information as soon as we can.

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teedubya

Original Poster:

96 posts

247 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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Come on TVR, sort yourselves out!!!!!

bob1179

14,137 posts

235 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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teedubya said:
Come on TVR, sort yourselves out!!!!!


seconded

julianc

1,984 posts

285 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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The present management hasn't got a chance of doing that.......rolleyes

Julian

Rob_the_Sparky

1,000 posts

264 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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I neglect to see how you can go into administation when you have "...increasing international demand..."


Edited by Rob_the_Sparky on Wednesday 3rd January 12:40

julianc

1,984 posts

285 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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Rob_the_Sparky said:
I neglect to see how you can go into administation when you have "...increasing international demand..."


Edited by Rob_the_Sparky on Wednesday 3rd January 12:40


That's why TVR was split into a holding company plus a couple of subsidiaries - TVR will claim that the holding company plus one subsidiary is in fantastic shape for the future whereas the other subsidiary has been shafted. Unfortunately, the TVR life blood is in the one that's been shafted......rolleyes

Julian

badgersport

25 posts

247 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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By putting the manufacturing operation in Blackpool into administration they have neatly avoided having to pay any of the companies outstanding debts or the Blackpool workers redundancy pay. Manufacturing can then restart in another country free from old liabilities. A disgusting attempt by the new TVR owners to escape their financial obligations and one that should be investigated by the Department of Trade and Industry.

anonymous-user

80 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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Rob_the_Sparky said:
I neglect to see how you can go into administation when you have "...increasing international demand..."




The demand comes principally from the international market known as Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Phil Dicky

7,194 posts

289 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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badgersport said:
By putting the manufacturing operation in Blackpool into administration they have neatly avoided having to pay any of the companies outstanding debts or the Blackpool workers redundancy pay. Manufacturing can then restart in another country free from old liabilities. A disgusting attempt by the new TVR owners to escape their financial obligations and one that should be investigated by the Department of Trade and Industry.


Pretty much how I see it as well, done up like a kipper.

waynepixel

3,978 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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badgersport said:
By putting the manufacturing operation in Blackpool into administration they have neatly avoided having to pay any of the companies outstanding debts or the Blackpool workers redundancy pay. Manufacturing can then restart in another country free from old liabilities. A disgusting attempt by the new TVR owners to escape their financial obligations and one that should be investigated by the Department of Trade and Industry.



That a handy loop hole. I surprised now-one has been shot, knowing what Russian are like for business? yikes


Edited by waynepixel on Wednesday 3rd January 12:53

Drgp

203 posts

240 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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mmm. it would appear to be the most pragmatic way to protect the brand - though the ethics of this process are dubious to say the least.

Amy Boylan managed to turn Shelby round when faced with $6million of debt, but she initially reduced their workforce from 52 to 21. She kept production in Vegas and now has 70 folk on the payroll. Similar company, car and price (glass one is $39,000, though ally bodied goes for a lot more. She shows you dont have to outsource when times get tough. Wonder if she would come to Blackpool - its just like Vegas, kinda

Al 450

1,390 posts

247 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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Phil Dicky said:
badgersport said:
By putting the manufacturing operation in Blackpool into administration they have neatly avoided having to pay any of the companies outstanding debts or the Blackpool workers redundancy pay. Manufacturing can then restart in another country free from old liabilities. A disgusting attempt by the new TVR owners to escape their financial obligations and one that should be investigated by the Department of Trade and Industry.


Pretty much how I see it as well, done up like a kipper.


Exactly what happened at MGR last year. The parent company became 'Phoenix Venture Holdings' which of course didn't go bust like 'MG Rover Group Ltd' (the manufacturing division) leaving the directors laughing all the way to the bank with the most valuable assets.

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

269 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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But HAVE the directors actually got the most valuable assets? Or has the administrator?

Podie

46,649 posts

301 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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Who owns the land at Bristol Avenue...? Gotta be worht a few quid in terms of redevelopment...

hughesie II

12,756 posts

308 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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Peter Wheeler

hughesie II

12,756 posts

308 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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BossCerbera said:
But HAVE the directors actually got the most valuable assets? Or has the administrator?

From what i can see the directors have the trading name, the administrators have all the staff and debt

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

269 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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hughesie II said:
BossCerbera said:
But HAVE the directors actually got the most valuable assets? Or has the administrator?

From what i can see the directors have the trading name, the administrators have all the staff and debt

Up until fairly recently the trademarks etc. were still in the name of TVR Engineering/BA. Also up until fairly recently the tooling for the models expected to be built abroad were at Bristol Avenue. These are the only assets of note.

hughesie II

12,756 posts

308 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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BossCerbera said:
hughesie II said:
BossCerbera said:
But HAVE the directors actually got the most valuable assets? Or has the administrator?

From what i can see the directors have the trading name, the administrators have all the staff and debt

Up until fairly recently the trademarks etc. were still in the name of TVR Engineering/BA. Also up until fairly recently the tooling for the models expected to be built abroad were at Bristol Avenue. These are the only assets of note.



But the way they have split the company in 3 means that the debt and staff have been lumped into one pot, the Tooling etc in another and the trading name in another so 3 completely seperate companies, essentially a Phoenix operation ??


Edited by hughesie II on Wednesday 3rd January 13:08

anonymous-user

80 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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BossCerbera said:
hughesie II said:
BossCerbera said:
But HAVE the directors actually got the most valuable assets? Or has the administrator?

From what i can see the directors have the trading name, the administrators have all the staff and debt

Up until fairly recently the trademarks etc. were still in the name of TVR Engineering/BA. Also up until fairly recently the tooling for the models expected to be built abroad were at Bristol Avenue. These are the only assets of note.


If the trademarks are with the administrators then he's fked. They are the company in effect?

honkytonk

47 posts

236 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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Now is the time to talk to NS and look at buying the company that is left over. I dont think outsourcing manufacturing is the solution at all.

I believe there is always going to be demand for these cars from an amazing customer base.

Surely a new buyer could take the assets, move to an industrial unit and get on with it.

Isnt this what Peter Wheeler did years ago! Please correct me and inform!

TVR is potentially in a very good state if the production could be turned around and i feel that SM may be thinking is it really worth pouring money into a dead donkey. He must be pretty knackered after all the commotion and bad feeling now.

A new person would bring fresh blood, a steady hand and the ability for people like me to be able to dream about affording a tuscan etc and then being able to get one after a year of saving etc.

Nothing looks, sounds and feels like a TVR. Lets let it continue

HT

hughesie II

12,756 posts

308 months

Wednesday 3rd January 2007
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unrepentant said:


If the trademarks are with the administrators then he's fked. They are the company in effect?



exactly, but do you think he's pumped 30mil into it and got that bit wrong ?