F********g cooling system!
F********g cooling system!
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CaptiV8ed

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822 posts

241 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Today was great because firstly, I fixed my dodgy temp guage snag, secondly because I found out I can ship my exhaust to Offords for Cherries for just £15!!!! And to top it off, we had a nice blast out in the Chim for a drink by the sea. Ace.

But THEN furious I get home to find a hissing sound at the back of the engine (I've just changed the cam so I expected some tightening of jubilee clips and stuff) but no, this is coming from the O/S back of the inlet manifold. I can't quite see where from, but the pressure cap was chuffing away in sympathy with the leak. So now what? Inlet off again? Can a valley gasket fail in 4 days?

I'm at my wits end with the cooling system!! banghead Any advice or similar experiences??

Nick

Dave 500

7,882 posts

272 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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You need one of these its a must for your tool kit.

https://www.delta.securesslhost.net/~sheng

Well worth the money and no more burnt arms.


Edited by Dave 500 on Thursday 3rd May 21:12

CaptiV8ed

Original Poster:

822 posts

241 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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That's a top bit of kit! Seems very pricey for what is essential a big bolt with a hole drilled in it. Thanks for the tip though!

GreenV8S

31,021 posts

314 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Check the heater feed and return hoses, you also may not have sealed round the rear water ways on the heads adequately. If the pressure cap is blowing either the cap isn't sealing or the system is overheating or you have something injecting gas into the system i.e. cracked block/leaking liners/HGF. Hopefully just the cap not sealing properly.

CaptiV8ed

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822 posts

241 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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I've checked the heater feed pipes, they were fine. The water ways around the back of the heads I presume is just down to the head gasket? I did everything thoroughly, cleaning all the faces before re-assembly. The heads were torqued down to 30 then 70 lb/ft with non stretch bolts.

ozstyle

392 posts

253 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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Hi,
sounds like a leaking inlet manifold gasket. May pay to retorque the bolts,they can loosen off, did you use the correct torque? I have seen some conflicting torque figures quoted for inlet manifold bolts, 28 ft/lb and 38 ft/lb. I used 38ft/lb and a smear of sealant around water ways on both heads and inlet manifold.

Tobs

237 posts

252 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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I've also just replaced my cam, while doing so I had a good look at the waterways in the inlet manifold. They only 'connect' at the front - at the rear the manifold blocks them off - although the cutouts in the valley gasket are there, so it could be leaking from here I suspect? I would think if it was, there would be coolant ontop of the valley gasket?

captiv8ed

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822 posts

241 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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Oz,

Checked the bolts last night and they were toight loik a toiger!

Tobs, I used sealer on the valley gasket, but I did not realise that the rears were not used. If I remove the inlet again today (considering that gasket is only 4 days old) do you think I coulds re-use said valley gasket?

Although I haven't been able to look properly yet (sun was low and blinding me!) I thought I saw water droplets on top of the valley gasket... hopefully I'll get in there today.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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Have the heads been skimmed !

On a V8 this can alter the angle on the inlet manifold and cause sealing problems..

Or so I've heard.

CaptiV8ed

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241 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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Not that I know of. It all looked original when I took it apart.

GreenV8S

31,021 posts

314 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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CaptiV8ed said:
The water ways around the back of the heads I presume is just down to the head gasket?


No, I mean the outlets to the inlet manifold - which are blanked off at the rear. I assume you used Hylomar Blue or equivalent when you reassembled, but it's possible it still hasn't sealed properly.

that daddy

19,454 posts

251 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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Dont re-use the valley gasket

eliot

11,995 posts

284 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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CaptiV8ed said:
That's a top bit of kit! Seems very pricey for what is essential a big bolt with a hole drilled in it. Thanks for the tip though!

But its got go faster stripes around the edge of it though..

CaptiV8ed

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241 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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Well, I've got it all back together again now, with a new valley gasket (looks a better quality one than the previous one). I haven't fired it up yet, as to honest, I'm getting sick of the sight of that engine bay! If I can muster some enthusiasm later then bonza. What concerns me is that there was no obvious sign of a leak. I (really!) hoping what happened is that the valley gasket came away on its lower edge of the blanked off rear waterway, and the steam was taken up into the rocker covers. It was mayonaiseville Tenessee in there, but not other signs of oil water mix anywhere else. Fingers X'd!

CaptiV8ed

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822 posts

241 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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'Ere we go then.

System topped up and went for a very satisfactory blast out. Got back, turned it off and returned 5 mins later to find a puddle under the car. (Choose multiple expletives).

I jacked it up to find coolant dropping off the sarter motor. After fitting the new valley gasket, it can only be one thing - the head gasket. (More multiple expetives). I can't see up in there very well, but what else can it be?

Now, when I fitted the head gaskets, they were torqued down to 30, then 70 lbs/ft. I did have one problem in reaching the back, lower bolt. My torque wrench wouldn't fit in there, so I had to use a normal ratchet with an extension to match the leverage. I was fairly certain it was as tight as the other nine. Getting in there is a feckin nightmare! I fail to see how a new gasket, sat on locating pins can fail this quickly.

I'm retiring now to emit more expletives and to try not to think of removing the inlet AGAIN, the bastard exhaust manifold AGAIN and spending hours hunched over the front wings AGAIN. F**k F**K F*ckety F**K!!!!!

GreenV8S

31,021 posts

314 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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Do a pressure test, this will confirm you have a leak (no surprise there) but might also enable you to hear where the leak is.

CaptiV8ed

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241 months

Sunday 6th May 2007
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Thanks, I will do that - before I have to tear it all apaprt again! Is the only way to do it using the Steve Heath swirl pot bolt?

GreenV8S

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314 months

Sunday 6th May 2007
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CaptiV8ed said:
Thanks, I will do that - before I have to tear it all apaprt again! Is the only way to do it using the Steve Heath swirl pot bolt?


You can buy standard pressure test kits that have adapters to suit most of the common pressure caps. There's nothing wrong with using Steve's swirl pot bolt though.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Sunday 6th May 2007
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Can I ask a question ..

How many head bolts have you got on each bank ?

If it's 14 then the outer 4 (11 thru 14 in tightening sequence should only be 'nipped' up and not fully torqued up).

This can cause the head to slant over.

CaptiV8ed

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241 months

Sunday 6th May 2007
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I've got the 10 bolt version!