Toyo Proxe's not so hot in the wet?

[davido140]

Just finished my day with ride drive which included an hour or so messing around (ahem, practicing techniques) at the longcross test facility. When basically driving round in circles very fast on thier huuuuge slip pad both myself and my instructor were impressed with the amount of grip the toyos gave (also the lack of lift-off oversteer from the tuscan was commended too) I was surpised at how fast and I had to hammer around to get make it understeer (but when it did it did it big time) and I had to slam my right gas to the floor to get it to oversteer.

Anyhoo, in the afternoon it started chucking it down and I noticed even at low speed (50ish) I didnt much care for the way the car wobbled/skimmed/choose its own direction when hitting standing water (we were on the roads by this time)

Anybody else seen similar performance in the wet?

Cheers

[softtop]

in the wet yes, take care or drive something else.

[Nuggs]

softtop said:

in the wet yes, take care or drive something else.

[Hut49]

First of all make sure the geometry is properly set up and the tyre pressures are correctly set. Then drive sensibly without reliance on engine breaking and with due respect to road surface, camber and gentle power application. Should be entirely safe to drive a Chim on Toyo's (or any other tyre for that matter) provided you take account of these items and drive with your brain engaged. Absolutely no point in taking a train or driving a front wheel drive mobile rather than get out on those Toyos. Get out there on the wet roads and learn about weight transfer, traction, positioning, preparation. You don't have to drive as though you're on a race/rally track to really enjoy being in control.

[softtop]

Hut49 said:

First of all make sure the geometry is properly set up and the tyre pressures are correctly set. Then drive sensibly without reliance on engine breaking and with due respect to road surface, camber and gentle power application. Should be entirely safe to drive a Chim on Toyo's (or any other tyre for that matter) provided you take account of these items and drive with your brain engaged. Absolutely no point in taking a train or driving a front wheel drive mobile rather than get out on those Toyos. Get out there on the wet roads and learn about weight transfer, traction, positioning, preparation. You don't have to drive as though you're on a race/rally track to really enjoy being in control.

A Chimaera is a different matter, this is in the Tuscan.

[morebeanz]

Might be a bit different because mine is a Cerb and so longer wheelbase, but I did my entire Ride Drive day in "just rained" conditions. Even on the skid pan, it took some real provocation to make it step out, and it was easily controllable when it did.

Compared to the Goodyears I had on before, the Toyos were great.

[davido140]

morebeanz said:

Might be a bit different because mine is a Cerb and so longer wheelbase, but I did my entire Ride Drive day in "just rained" conditions. Even on the skid pan, it took some real provocation to make it step out, and it was easily controllable when it did.

Compared to the Goodyears I had on before, the Toyos were great.

#

wet roads / track really werent an issue to be honest, correct adjustment of speed on the corners and there was no noticable problem at all. it was standing water/puddles where it all went a bit wobbly!

[puffsorted2]

Yeap couldn't agree more, don't drive on the Toyo's on the wet - unless you like water skiing cause they love to aquaplane

[rev-erend]

DR Darren said the same to me - massive grip in the dry and spins very easily in the wet .. he was surprised how little grip you actually had in the wet.

Guess that is the big benefit of an off road training session.

[FUBAR]

puffsorted2 said:

Yeap couldn't agree more, don't drive on the Toyo's on the wet - unless you like water skiing cause they love to aquaplane

I changed to F1s when the time was right as the Toyos terrified me in the wet.





....mind, hitting standing water without warning last night certainly had the gasses flowing out of me

[rev-erend]

You should try the Toyo 888's ..

Aqua plane city .. scary

[Daftlad]

rev-erend said:

You should try the Toyo 888's ..

Aqua plane city .. scary

The tyres have dreadful wet performance reputation. Is your statement based upon experince or what others have reported?

[grahamn]

FUBAR said:

puffsorted2 said:

Yeap couldn't agree more, don't drive on the Toyo's on the wet - unless you like water skiing cause they love to aquaplane

I changed to F1s when the time was right as the Toyos terrified me in the wet.





....mind, hitting standing water without warning last night certainly had the gasses flowing out of me

I have Toyo's on mine and have no problems in the wet. (Maybe I don't go as fast as you mad men)

[Byker28i]

morebeanz said:

Might be a bit different because mine is a Cerb and so longer wheelbase, but I did my entire Ride Drive day in "just rained" conditions. Even on the skid pan, it took some real provocation to make it step out, and it was easily controllable when it did.

Compared to the Goodyears I had on before, the Toyos were great.

Weird - I swear by Eagle F1's. The new Aysmetric ones have lost the 'arrow' tread pattern to make them even better in the wet

[rev-erend]

Daftlad said:

rev-erend said:

You should try the Toyo 888's ..

Aqua plane city .. scary

The tyres have dreadful wet performance reputation. Is your statement based upon experince or what others have reported?

I've had them on the back of the SEAC for about 4 K (second year now) and experience torrential rain several times..

Let's just say - standing water is not much fun.

Just bought a pair of Toyo TR1's for the rear - in case this weather does not get any better (bargain at £100 for the pair)

[davido140]

are the TR1s a better compromise between dry grip and not aquaplaning?

[dumbfunk]

I changed my horrid S02/S03 mixture for a set of 17" Toyo T1-Rs (in standard widths) and after driving to Le Mans in the p!ssing rain I honestly believe I have more grip in the wet than I used to have in the dry on the old rubber. I upgraded to Nitron's at the same time so that has an input but I'm very happy with my Toyos.


dumbfunk

[FUBAR]

I went from S02s to SO3s and hated them. Then went to Toyos, much improved, now F1s which imo are better again.

[Daftlad]

rev-erend said:

Daftlad said:

rev-erend said:

You should try the Toyo 888's ..

Aqua plane city .. scary

The tyres have dreadful wet performance reputation. Is your statement based upon experince or what others have reported?

I've had them on the back of the SEAC for about 4 K (second year now) and experience torrential rain several times..

Let's just say - standing water is not much fun.

Just bought a pair of Toyo TR1's for the rear - in case this weather does not get any better (bargain at £100 for the pair)

Not quite what I expected Alan. Aqua plane is normally front end, the front tyres normally hitting the water first, not sure why you would blame R888s when they are on the rear!!

I asked as I have R888 and find them acceptable in standing water, not much worse than most tyres I've had.

Its amazing how many people run performance cars with no traction control and no ABS with different tyres front to rear - maybe they want their cars to perform like drift cars.

[Seasider]

grahamn said:

FUBAR said:

puffsorted2 said:

Yeap couldn't agree more, don't drive on the Toyo's on the wet - unless you like water skiing cause they love to aquaplane

I changed to F1s when the time was right as the Toyos terrified me in the wet.





....mind, hitting standing water without warning last night certainly had the gasses flowing out of me

I have Toyo's on mine and have no problems in the wet. (Maybe I don't go as fast as you mad men)

I find T1R's more than acceptable in the wet i think my LeMans passenger would agree and we weren't hanging about


Also don't find R888 that bad unless being silly...