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Neil Hyde

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101 posts

303 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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The Jags a bloody Tuscan copy !!!!!!!

agent006

12,058 posts

291 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Which Jag? Not the XJR i hope. The R type is too lardy, and the XKR-R is a V8 and made of metal, and looks nothing like, well any TVR.

nubbin

6,809 posts

305 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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I've always liked Jags - tradition, history and all that - I would like an XJRR (in black of course!) as a replacement for my Beemer. If they're £8-10k, why not?

Neil Hyde

Original Poster:

101 posts

303 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Try looking at the Tuscan R pics from the factory , rear 3/4 line is the same ! But then again it could be the second bottle of Merlot !!



jigs

295 posts

279 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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Another important difference between TVR and Jaguar - while TVR have in general moved away from V8 to Straight Six engines for it's most popular models, Jaguar have done the opposite i.e. moved from Straight Six to V8 engines. Come to think of it Aston Martin have done the same, moving from Straight Six to V8 and V12 engines.
Are TVR going in the wrong direction?

When was the Jaguar XJRR first available? Surely £8 - 10K won't buy a XJRR, will it?



>> Edited by jigs on Sunday 1st June 22:07

douglasr

1,092 posts

299 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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jigs said: Another important difference between TVR and Jaguar - while TVR have in general moved away from V8 to Straight Six engines for it's most popular models, Jaguar have done the opposite i.e. moved from Straight Six to V8 engines. Come to think of it Aston Martin have done the same, moving from Straight Six to V8 and V12 engines.
Are TVR going in the wrong direction?

When was the Jaguar XJRR first available? Surely £8 - 10K won't buy a XJRR, will it?



>> Edited by jigs on Sunday 1st June 22:07


Jaguars biggest market is America. What do Americans require in their top-of-the-range cars? - A V8.

I'm sure that TVR have good reason to go the 6 cylinder route, maybe one of the engineers on the board can enlighten us as to the advantages/disadvantages ?

dontlift

9,396 posts

285 months

Sunday 1st June 2003
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The Jags a bloody Tuscan copy !!!!!!!


I think you will find the XK was on the streets well before the tuscan

FourWheelDrift

92,134 posts

311 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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jigs said: Another important difference between TVR and Jaguar - while TVR have in general moved away from V8 to Straight Six engines for it's most popular models, Jaguar have done the opposite i.e. moved from Straight Six to V8 engines. Come to think of it Aston Martin have done the same, moving from Straight Six to V8 and V12 engines.
Are TVR going in the wrong direction?

When was the Jaguar XJRR first available? Surely £8 - 10K won't buy a XJRR, will it?



>> Edited by jigs on Sunday 1st June 22:07


Get you Jag makes right. There's no such thing as a XJRR.

The green Coupe on Top Gear was a XKRR and Jaguar are not making going to be them.

The XJR however came in 2 forms. From 1994 - early 1997 it was a 320BHP supercharged straight six. These are the ones that are cheap.

From 1997 to early 2003 a 370BHP supercharged V8 (which I have). The latest XJR is a 4.2 V8 pushing out 400 BHP.

nubbin

6,809 posts

305 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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FourWheelDrift said:

jigs said: Another important difference between TVR and Jaguar - while TVR have in general moved away from V8 to Straight Six engines for it's most popular models, Jaguar have done the opposite i.e. moved from Straight Six to V8 engines. Come to think of it Aston Martin have done the same, moving from Straight Six to V8 and V12 engines.
Are TVR going in the wrong direction?

When was the Jaguar XJRR first available? Surely £8 - 10K won't buy a XJRR, will it?



>> Edited by jigs on Sunday 1st June 22:07


Get you Jag makes right. There's no such thing as a XJRR.

The green Coupe on Top Gear was a XKRR and Jaguar are not making going to be them.

The XJR however came in 2 forms. From 1994 - early 1997 it was a 320BHP supercharged straight six. These are the ones that are cheap.

From 1997 to early 2003 a 370BHP supercharged V8 (which I have). The latest XJR is a 4.2 V8 pushing out 400 BHP.


Thanks FWD - typo on my part began the error - (is there an appropriate blush smiley? )

At least I am aware that there is no such car - still 300+bhp in a svelte black jag - Mmmm, yes please!

mikeylad

33,388 posts

280 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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douglasr said:

jigs said: Another important difference between TVR and Jaguar - while TVR have in general moved away from V8 to Straight Six engines for it's most popular models, Jaguar have done the opposite i.e. moved from Straight Six to V8 engines. Come to think of it Aston Martin have done the same, moving from Straight Six to V8 and V12 engines.
Are TVR going in the wrong direction?

When was the Jaguar XJRR first available? Surely £8 - 10K won't buy a XJRR, will it?



>> Edited by jigs on Sunday 1st June 22:07


Jaguars biggest market is America. What do Americans require in their top-of-the-range cars? - A V8.

I'm sure that TVR have good reason to go the 6 cylinder route, maybe one of the engineers on the board can enlighten us as to the advantages/disadvantages ?



the reasons for the 6 are well-documented on the TVR website. The reasons are mainly weight, packaging/shape, and nature of power delivery - high rev screamer rather than lazy grunty V8.

>> Edited by mikeylad on Monday 2nd June 00:43

kstead

167 posts

278 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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I belive the reason tvr are going the straight six route is so they can enter the yank market, can't get the cats close enough to exhaust ports to heat up quickly with a v8, emissions an all that, they could make the car wider (jags etc) but then car gets hevier. With a six they have all the room they need, an it's a traditional brit layout. I'll stick to my v8 as long as they'll let me.

jigs

295 posts

279 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Thanks FourWheelDrift - I knew there wasn't an XJRR but didn't want to embarrass nubbin - I know how touchy he can be!
Anyway seeing as how he's asking for it here's my message to him:-

Nubbin - As I suspected 'you don't know your Rs --(from your elbow)'.

Jigs

PS Straight sixes were the heroes of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Jaguars, Aston Martins, Healeys, etc. Apart from TVR and BMW who also make a cracking V8 who else uses straight sixes. Is it really a USA/V8 thing?

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FourWheelDrift

92,134 posts

311 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Not that I'm a car or anything

Hughesie2

12,769 posts

309 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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FourWheelDrift said: Not that I'm a car or anything


Nope, your just a general nerd....

Mwuahahahahahahahahahahaha

pddmac

142 posts

288 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Jag definitely had some major TVR styling cues- notice it was lowered, rear bumper deeper and pipes and manual shift (heavens!!!) - nothing like any other XK currently available.....

marki

15,763 posts

297 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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There is an XJR-R and an XKR-R its a bigger brakes and wheels package as far as i can recall ,the brembo brakes they stick on are so massive that you have to have the 20" wheel option fitted

pddmac

142 posts

288 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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i know they put 20 inch wheels on the XK-RR, they look ok, on the unlowered XK-R, they made it look like a bit of a Tonka toy- you can go OTT sometimes with wheels. Manual shift was interesting, 1 st time Jag did one was on X-Type, borrowed off the Mondeo. Probably a ZF unit the XK-RR though...

nubbin

6,809 posts

305 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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jigs said: Thanks FourWheelDrift - I knew there wasn't an XJRR but didn't want to embarrass nubbin - I know how touchy he can be!
Anyway seeing as how he's asking for it here's my message to him:-

Nubbin - As I suspected 'you don't know your Rs --(from your elbow)'.




Belive me, jigs, I know an RS when I hear one - shame you didn't correct my 'mistake' - with your profound knowledge and inability to keep it or anything else to yourself.

I'm not really too sure why this last comment of yours is merited - reading not your forte? Or a touch of paranoia perhaps - I can't actually see where I have directed any comments in your direction.

Run along now. Mwaah, Mwaah!

kevinday

13,766 posts

307 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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jigs said:
Apart from TVR and BMW who also make a cracking V8 who else uses straight sixes. Is it really a USA/V8 thing?

>> Edited by jigs on Monday 2nd June 08:56


Toyota (Supra) and Nissan (Skyline, I think is a S6 not V6)

jigs

295 posts

279 months

Monday 2nd June 2003
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Nubbin - you'll agree then that an RS doesn't sound as good as a Griffith V8, nor a Speed Six for that matter.
Lighten up - IMO of course.