Classified Car Prices
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I think you will find different dealer prices varying from between 3-5k for say a 2002 Tamora, TVR's are always hard to price up though as recent work, service history, mileage, colour etc all have effects on prices more than say second hand 911's IMHO..
It is not a good time for second hand cars generally though so if you are in the lucky position to be able to go ahead then it is a buyers market..
It is not a good time for second hand cars generally though so if you are in the lucky position to be able to go ahead then it is a buyers market..
Dirty Boy said:
As said, it's a buyers market, if a Tuscan you like is up for £20k, starting at £16k isn't a stupid idea by any stretch of the imagination.
If you have the cash ready, worst you can do is view a few cars, make various offers, you never know your luck
Luckily the majority of TVR sales are not distress sales I would guess so don't necessarily follow the fate of high volume cars or exotica. Never a good idea to talk them down though IMHOIf you have the cash ready, worst you can do is view a few cars, make various offers, you never know your luck
It's not like people buy TVRs to have as an economical runabout - Most buyers know what to expect with a TVR and are enthusiasts - I don't believe they will be affected as much as mass produced sports cars. But, what cars are advertised and what they sell for are 2 different things....
willtvr said:
Dirty Boy said:
As said, it's a buyers market, if a Tuscan you like is up for £20k, starting at £16k isn't a stupid idea by any stretch of the imagination.
If you have the cash ready, worst you can do is view a few cars, make various offers, you never know your luck
Luckily the majority of TVR sales are not distress sales I would guess so don't necessarily follow the fate of high volume cars or exotica. Never a good idea to talk them down though IMHOIf you have the cash ready, worst you can do is view a few cars, make various offers, you never know your luck
And unfortunately i'm seeing first hand that there are people struggling. Lots of people affected.
I like to think that most TVR owners are a prudent bunch, and didn't spend above their means in the last few years and so aren't being hit that much by this 'credit crisis'. I've been keeping a occasional eye on Cerb prices and they certainly haven't gone down much in the past year, if anything the Cerbs that were going for £9-10k in the summer are now going for a little more.
And when I say "going for", I mean being advertised!
And when I say "going for", I mean being advertised!
jammy_basturd said:
I like to think that most TVR owners are a prudent bunch, and didn't spend above their means in the last few years and so aren't being hit that much by this 'credit crisis'
;-) - got to love the credit crunch 
Don't run with the herd, now is the time to be splashing out in big purchases - everything is ridiculously cheap if you have the cash, there are a lot of desperate sellers - especially of big 4x4s ;-)
Edited by RIP_puffsorted2 on Wednesday 10th December 11:14
RIP_puffsorted2 said:
jammy_basturd said:
I like to think that most TVR owners are a prudent bunch, and didn't spend above their means in the last few years and so aren't being hit that much by this 'credit crisis'
;-) - got to love the credit crunch Don't run with the herd, now is the time to be splashing out in big purchases - everything is ridiculously cheap if you have the cash, there are a lot of desperate sellers - especially of big 4x4s ;-)
Edited by RIP_puffsorted2 on Wednesday 10th December 11:14
RIP_puffsorted2 said:
jammy_basturd said:
I like to think that most TVR owners are a prudent bunch, and didn't spend above their means in the last few years and so aren't being hit that much by this 'credit crisis'
;-) - got to love the credit crunch Don't run with the herd, now is the time to be splashing out in big purchases - everything is ridiculously cheap if you have the cash, there are a lot of desperate sellers - especially of big 4x4s ;-)
Edited by RIP_puffsorted2 on Wednesday 10th December 11:14
Obiwonkeyblokey said:
RIP_puffsorted2 said:
jammy_basturd said:
I like to think that most TVR owners are a prudent bunch, and didn't spend above their means in the last few years and so aren't being hit that much by this 'credit crisis'
;-) - got to love the credit crunch Don't run with the herd, now is the time to be splashing out in big purchases - everything is ridiculously cheap if you have the cash, there are a lot of desperate sellers - especially of big 4x4s ;-)
Edited by RIP_puffsorted2 on Wednesday 10th December 11:14
To be honest I agree with the OP that the TVR prices in the classifieds seem high (and not much seems to be selling). It may be that TVR owners are 'prudent', but it may also be that the devotion of the typical TVR owner means that they're less likely to accept the depreciation that has occured fairly well accross the board. the fact is that if everything else drops, then TVR start to look expensive - so i can't see how they're not affected.
I sold my Chimaera 450 recently - a lovely car - but sold well below most of the advertised prices on pistonheads, even though I'm confident that it was one of the best ones around. The original plan was something more sensible......but I've been looking at Tuscans (!). However, for sub £15k there is now a serious amount of competition with other marques so I don't think that many of the prices are realistic. Ohers either are, or sellers are lucky - and they sell!
Perhaps not a sensible choice, but one of the cars I'm thinking of is a Maserati 3200....
I sold my Chimaera 450 recently - a lovely car - but sold well below most of the advertised prices on pistonheads, even though I'm confident that it was one of the best ones around. The original plan was something more sensible......but I've been looking at Tuscans (!). However, for sub £15k there is now a serious amount of competition with other marques so I don't think that many of the prices are realistic. Ohers either are, or sellers are lucky - and they sell!
Perhaps not a sensible choice, but one of the cars I'm thinking of is a Maserati 3200....
Edited by nig-gtv on Thursday 11th December 20:36
nig-gtv said:
Perhaps not a sensible choice, but one of the cars I'm thinking of is a Maserati 3200....
I've looked at these as a possible good buy as well. They seem fantastic value on the face of it. Just look at the cost of a replacement exhaust though, as well as the brakes and the new cambelt which is spec'd for regular replacements.It opened my eyes a bit wider!
Edited by AlexanderV8 on Thursday 11th December 21:03
Ubernoober said:
nig-gtv said:
Perhaps not a sensible choice, but one of the cars I'm thinking of is a Maserati 3200....
Have you seen the prices of 2004 Qauttroporte's?? (http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/787594.htm for example)
Cheap as chips and a damn fine car to boot!
Jim Green said:
I think it's good for all of us, that the prices as remaining stable. TVR's are an enthusiasts car, and the prices they command is down to what sellers are willing to let them go for.
I say keep the prices as they are, and don't let the prices tumble like with many other brands.
Agreed - My TVR has been a far better investment than any of the bleedin shares I hold. Just wish that I'd cashed some shares in and bought me another TVR two years ago!I say keep the prices as they are, and don't let the prices tumble like with many other brands.
It is about supply and demand - the exotica manufacturers mentioned are still producing and creating further supply. No one really wants them at the moment and being more plentiful prices must surely tumble.
The City are still playing smoke and mirrors as far as I am concerned, there'll be more calls for cash / rights issues - and Banks have been given my money in the form of expensive loans from Gordon and Co. which neeed to be paid back. Makes it all less interesting for investors and less demand means prices fall. Just like the exotica then. They'll be bailing out the car co's next.
The guys that are selling Tivs now will be doing so for various reasons and some because they bought with credit - I feel for them 'cause I think they are sitting on something special.
Imagine something that has a fixed supply that can't be tinkered with.. like a TVR for example, I think I'll stick with it for the ride (one which will be enjoyable as well) - they aint making any more of them.
I can still smile when I'm driving mine - bit of pleasure and a bit of smugness as it is my best performing investment.
ETA - can tinker with the car but not the supply!
Edited by OB1JOB on Thursday 11th December 22:12
OB1JOB, I cannot agree more with you, that is my view on TVR's too. Basic economics isn't it -supply v demand and vice versa. The fact that the vast majority, if not all, of people who buy TVR's are enthusiasts is perhaps the unique selling point (I don't drive a BMW, promise!). 
You buy your cars because you care about them and maintain them; put a bit of cash away to look after them and tinker a bit. Enthusiasts rule! A couple of you also mentioned the big saloon V8's being substantially cheaper and as I've been checking prices for some time on a range of cars before I buy, I totally agree - mega deals to be had! If you look at the BMW M5 E39 it almost seems wrong not to buy it at any price but take a look at the values now. 400bhp, 5 seats, fantastic chassis, big boot - if of course that floats your boat. I'm also amazed by the value of the series 1 Audi A8 especially in 4.2 V8 form...£3000 for a mega executive car with 300bhp and Germanic reliability - surely this is a steal.
Or is it?
Are we watching the final nail in the coffin for a move away from larger capacity engines that suck up precious resources and burn holes in people's wallets? The scourge of climate change and the environmental guilt complex compels Joe Bloggs to buy diesel/electric/ small output engines - questioning whether they even need a high performance car when you can't speed due to all the cameras, fear of bridges, the new proposed increase on points...is this the end or is it the beginning of the end?! Change is a-coming as they say but without a doubt there can't be a better time to buy especially if you are going to keep it.
Or if you are an enthusiast
You buy your cars because you care about them and maintain them; put a bit of cash away to look after them and tinker a bit. Enthusiasts rule! A couple of you also mentioned the big saloon V8's being substantially cheaper and as I've been checking prices for some time on a range of cars before I buy, I totally agree - mega deals to be had! If you look at the BMW M5 E39 it almost seems wrong not to buy it at any price but take a look at the values now. 400bhp, 5 seats, fantastic chassis, big boot - if of course that floats your boat. I'm also amazed by the value of the series 1 Audi A8 especially in 4.2 V8 form...£3000 for a mega executive car with 300bhp and Germanic reliability - surely this is a steal.Or is it?
Are we watching the final nail in the coffin for a move away from larger capacity engines that suck up precious resources and burn holes in people's wallets? The scourge of climate change and the environmental guilt complex compels Joe Bloggs to buy diesel/electric/ small output engines - questioning whether they even need a high performance car when you can't speed due to all the cameras, fear of bridges, the new proposed increase on points...is this the end or is it the beginning of the end?! Change is a-coming as they say but without a doubt there can't be a better time to buy especially if you are going to keep it.
Or if you are an enthusiast
Interesting views. I reckon the Dealer prices are high as they simply have too much money invested in the cars, and they are between a rock and a hard place at the mo, in that they need to sell, but cant afford to drop prices?
I've got the money and Im am ready to buy......but the cash is staying in my pocket until the Tuscan prices satrt to get more realistic.
I've got the money and Im am ready to buy......but the cash is staying in my pocket until the Tuscan prices satrt to get more realistic.
OB1JOB said:
Agreed - My TVR has been a far better investment than any of the bleedin shares I hold. Just wish that I'd cashed some shares in and bought me another TVR two years ago!
It is about supply and demand - the exotica manufacturers mentioned are still producing and creating further supply. No one really wants them at the moment and being more plentiful prices must surely tumble.
The City are still playing smoke and mirrors as far as I am concerned, there'll be more calls for cash / rights issues - and Banks have been given my money in the form of expensive loans from Gordon and Co. which neeed to be paid back. Makes it all less interesting for investors and less demand means prices fall. Just like the exotica then. They'll be bailing out the car co's next.
The guys that are selling Tivs now will be doing so for various reasons and some because they bought with credit - I feel for them 'cause I think they are sitting on something special.
Imagine something that has a fixed supply that can't be tinkered with.. like a TVR for example, I think I'll stick with it for the ride (one which will be enjoyable as well) - they aint making any more of them.
I can still smile when I'm driving mine - bit of pleasure and a bit of smugness as it is my best performing investment.
ETA - can tinker with the car but not the supply!
So, when do you think the prices of "Modern" TVRs will stop going down/start rising. I think that is a good way off yet personally.It is about supply and demand - the exotica manufacturers mentioned are still producing and creating further supply. No one really wants them at the moment and being more plentiful prices must surely tumble.
The City are still playing smoke and mirrors as far as I am concerned, there'll be more calls for cash / rights issues - and Banks have been given my money in the form of expensive loans from Gordon and Co. which neeed to be paid back. Makes it all less interesting for investors and less demand means prices fall. Just like the exotica then. They'll be bailing out the car co's next.
The guys that are selling Tivs now will be doing so for various reasons and some because they bought with credit - I feel for them 'cause I think they are sitting on something special.
Imagine something that has a fixed supply that can't be tinkered with.. like a TVR for example, I think I'll stick with it for the ride (one which will be enjoyable as well) - they aint making any more of them.
I can still smile when I'm driving mine - bit of pleasure and a bit of smugness as it is my best performing investment.
ETA - can tinker with the car but not the supply!
Edited by OB1JOB on Thursday 11th December 22:12
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