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Whilst not a lover of motorways, I'm dismayed to find this. Will it just be a matter of time before cameras are EVERYWHERE?
In the "olden days" we used to have the Advanced Driving Test where you voluntarily enrolled for it and got a shiny certificate afterwards. It involved very similar techniques to the ones police drivers use (constant driver commentaries etc)
Could such voluntary tests be introduced to allow better drivers to enjoy higher speed limits?
The extract below is from http://uk.autoblog.com/2010/01/25/average-camera-c...
A government watchdog has called on ministers to install average speed cameras on every motorway throughout the country in an attempt to cut vehicle emissions.
The Sustainable Development Commission claims that motorists sticking to the 70mph national speed limit will result in a reduction of 1.4million tonnes of carbon dioxide. The Commission also says that Department for Transport data shows that 52% of drivers currently do not obey the speed limit laws.
As well as encouraging environmentally-friendly driving, the Commission insists the average speed cameras would result in safer roads as drivers would not jam on their brakes in the same way they do for individual cameras.
At the moment the cameras are in permanent use on several stretches of the UK's motorways, including parts of the M25 and the M1, and temporary use at stretches where roadworks are taking place.
The Home Office has already approved the use of average speed cameras in urban areas last year, and now the Commission has encouraged the government to introduce them on a wider basis. London mayor Boris Johnson has recently announced funding will be given to introduce average speed cameras on a 7.5mile stretch of the A13 in east London.
The Sustainable Development Commission has also called for more trials on technology that would automatically recognise a road's speed limit and control a vehicle's speed.
In the "olden days" we used to have the Advanced Driving Test where you voluntarily enrolled for it and got a shiny certificate afterwards. It involved very similar techniques to the ones police drivers use (constant driver commentaries etc)
Could such voluntary tests be introduced to allow better drivers to enjoy higher speed limits?
The extract below is from http://uk.autoblog.com/2010/01/25/average-camera-c...
A government watchdog has called on ministers to install average speed cameras on every motorway throughout the country in an attempt to cut vehicle emissions.
The Sustainable Development Commission claims that motorists sticking to the 70mph national speed limit will result in a reduction of 1.4million tonnes of carbon dioxide. The Commission also says that Department for Transport data shows that 52% of drivers currently do not obey the speed limit laws.
As well as encouraging environmentally-friendly driving, the Commission insists the average speed cameras would result in safer roads as drivers would not jam on their brakes in the same way they do for individual cameras.
At the moment the cameras are in permanent use on several stretches of the UK's motorways, including parts of the M25 and the M1, and temporary use at stretches where roadworks are taking place.
The Home Office has already approved the use of average speed cameras in urban areas last year, and now the Commission has encouraged the government to introduce them on a wider basis. London mayor Boris Johnson has recently announced funding will be given to introduce average speed cameras on a 7.5mile stretch of the A13 in east London.
The Sustainable Development Commission has also called for more trials on technology that would automatically recognise a road's speed limit and control a vehicle's speed.
Never mind about the carbon it's about time this flawed 'science' of man made climate change caused by CO2 emissions was challenged by the general populous and proved to be the tax generating, population control BS it really is rather than meekly accepting the 'evidence' generated by biased government funded organisations. 
Edited by V8 GRF on Saturday 13th February 16:02
When cars were invented a bloke walked in front at 3mph waving a red flag to warn other pedestrians, It seems that every day we are returning back to these times.
I am still trying to work out where to park at the end of the A69 before I get to newcastle in order that I drive 5 miles less every week
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I am still trying to work out where to park at the end of the A69 before I get to newcastle in order that I drive 5 miles less every week
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So average speed cams are seen as safer than single cameras. Yes single cameras do result in some heavy braking (but the bloke behind is too close if he cant stop in time!), but I find that average speed cams mean that every half a mile I am looking down at my dash rather than looking ahead. That surely is not good, and I am sure will have contributed to a few accidents.
So, admitting that I don't know the answer to this, do these average speed cams have the equivalent of a 10% + 2mph speed limit (as, for example, with current Hampshire police guidelines) giving the average of 79mph or what?
If it is 79mph then IMHO, there probably wouldn't be much difference in the speed of general traffic so not much saving.
If the government does want to cut the amount of emissions, how about 'educating' companies, especially those that still have strong 'presenteeism' traits, that working from home is a good thing and doesn't always mean workers are skiving and so to allow those workers that can WFH easily, to do so!
For example, in my work, all my dealings, phone calls and relationships etc are with people working in Germany or Holland who don't actually care where I work. I give nothing to, nor receive anything from any one in the 'local' offices, however, WFH more than once a week is not exactly welcomed by 'powers that be' who, apparently, need to see me earning my money. I understand that being a 'freelancer' I'm trusted less than permanent members of staff but this isn't specific to where I currently work, I have experienced it at virtually every company I have worked at.
WFH just one day a week would save huge amounts of CO2, far more than installing average speed cams I would have thought whilst also reducing traffic and associated jams, travel related stress and overall journey times for those not WFH that day.
Then the gov't can go ahead and leave us motorists alone.
Just my opinion and apologies for the rant.
If it is 79mph then IMHO, there probably wouldn't be much difference in the speed of general traffic so not much saving.
If the government does want to cut the amount of emissions, how about 'educating' companies, especially those that still have strong 'presenteeism' traits, that working from home is a good thing and doesn't always mean workers are skiving and so to allow those workers that can WFH easily, to do so!
For example, in my work, all my dealings, phone calls and relationships etc are with people working in Germany or Holland who don't actually care where I work. I give nothing to, nor receive anything from any one in the 'local' offices, however, WFH more than once a week is not exactly welcomed by 'powers that be' who, apparently, need to see me earning my money. I understand that being a 'freelancer' I'm trusted less than permanent members of staff but this isn't specific to where I currently work, I have experienced it at virtually every company I have worked at.
WFH just one day a week would save huge amounts of CO2, far more than installing average speed cams I would have thought whilst also reducing traffic and associated jams, travel related stress and overall journey times for those not WFH that day.
Then the gov't can go ahead and leave us motorists alone.
Just my opinion and apologies for the rant.
The worst thing about it is if every car is doing 70mph in each lane it would not be safe, let alone lorries and coaches doing the same speed
I find the best thing about driving a powerful car is that you can get away from bad drivers and find youre own space, if everyone was bunched up like that and there was an accident more cars would be envolved
multiple lanes should be for overtaking not for creating traffic jams and accidents
Paul.
I find the best thing about driving a powerful car is that you can get away from bad drivers and find youre own space, if everyone was bunched up like that and there was an accident more cars would be envolved
multiple lanes should be for overtaking not for creating traffic jams and accidents
Paul.
kERSBoosted LS1 said:
I was thinking that 'they' wanted to do this to us years ago. It's just part of one great big plot against the car and population as a whole. They're trying to brainwash us as well as beat us into submission.
You mean like "smoking is bad, it causes all these deseases".And now its banned indoors and they want to ban it outside and half the pubs are closing its............
"drinking is realy bad it causes all these deseases".
There are so many anul, jumped up, dictatorial, intollerant people in Britain now I think we should start canvasing for a law against obnoxious tw#ts who use phrases like "cant do that" and "I dont like".
There, I feel better now.
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