An interesting question?
Discussion
An emotive subject perhaps.......
The Scenario:
You are very interested in a TVR, so much so that you employ a well-known person to inspect the car for you at a not insignificant cost only to find out that the chassis is compromised by our well-known enemy rust in one of the main chassis members necessitating, for a proper repair, the removal, or at least raising of the body and at a projected cost of of £1500 to £2000 and that's without any out-rigger problems being found at the same time.
The Dilemma:
It becomes evident that the present owner, having been informed of the onset of the problem on the previous two MOT's, has seemingly with-held information that may have dissuaded you from even considering the purchase in the first place and therefore the expense of the inspection. The inspection however has kept you from buying a money-pit! So at least we're ok.
The Question:
Despite now being well aware of the seriousness of the issues, the car in question is still for sale, portrayed as being in good condition, so no change to the advert that drew you to considering it in the beginning. So some unsuspecting, less informed, prospective buyer is now put into the position of buying a very expensive problem. Do we as a community simply say 'Let the buyer beware' or does our conscience and a sense of honesty in our dealings with others lead us to conclude that the information relating to the actual condition should be available within a changed advert, or that the advert should be removed, or the report be available for other prospective purchasers. Or should we just adopt the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude and keep our nose out.
The Scenario:
You are very interested in a TVR, so much so that you employ a well-known person to inspect the car for you at a not insignificant cost only to find out that the chassis is compromised by our well-known enemy rust in one of the main chassis members necessitating, for a proper repair, the removal, or at least raising of the body and at a projected cost of of £1500 to £2000 and that's without any out-rigger problems being found at the same time.
The Dilemma:
It becomes evident that the present owner, having been informed of the onset of the problem on the previous two MOT's, has seemingly with-held information that may have dissuaded you from even considering the purchase in the first place and therefore the expense of the inspection. The inspection however has kept you from buying a money-pit! So at least we're ok.
The Question:
Despite now being well aware of the seriousness of the issues, the car in question is still for sale, portrayed as being in good condition, so no change to the advert that drew you to considering it in the beginning. So some unsuspecting, less informed, prospective buyer is now put into the position of buying a very expensive problem. Do we as a community simply say 'Let the buyer beware' or does our conscience and a sense of honesty in our dealings with others lead us to conclude that the information relating to the actual condition should be available within a changed advert, or that the advert should be removed, or the report be available for other prospective purchasers. Or should we just adopt the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude and keep our nose out.
I think the information should be posted within the "community" ... I don't see that "posting information" would contravene any naming and shaming rules , after all its just information ... A scanned copy of the inspection report(provided that doesn't break away copyright law) for example (with out any comment from yourself) is just sharing information ... something that is done on Piston Heads all the time. Just don't make any personal comment.
Edited by glow worm on Friday 4th February 14:14
If I was in that position, I would make it known on the forum that i had the inspection report avaliable to any prospective buyers of that car,(posibly at a small charge say £25).
It would then be up to any prospective buyer to either give you a few quid and have a look through the report or get there own one done (or buy it with no inspection and have to spend alot of money on it).
I'm not sure what the ruels are on PH for such activities though ?
It would then be up to any prospective buyer to either give you a few quid and have a look through the report or get there own one done (or buy it with no inspection and have to spend alot of money on it).
I'm not sure what the ruels are on PH for such activities though ?
Gazzab said:
Or you could just move on as whilst your motovations are right it isnt worth putting too much emotional energy into the issue?
Will do, but other peoples insights and values are always interesting. No-one likes the thought of getting caught out. The question might also be seen by the advertiser concerned and move them to do the right thing. If not PH will withdraw the ad anyway. Job done.Its a sad fact that within "our TVR community " that we cannot post when we are reasonably sure to the point a professional has inspected a car and found significant faults.
whoever the seller is come clean and either remove car from sale or put details of faults in add.
Would you sleep easy knowing you had sold it, maybe you would but can you really be sure that the truth will not come out.
Do the right thing.
whoever the seller is come clean and either remove car from sale or put details of faults in add.
Would you sleep easy knowing you had sold it, maybe you would but can you really be sure that the truth will not come out.
Do the right thing.
mikesp said:
.... the chassis is compromised by our well-known enemy rust in one of the main chassis members necessitating, for a proper repair, the removal, or at least raising of the body and at a projected cost of of £1500 to £2000 and that's without any out-rigger problems being found at the same time...
Was chassis rust the only significant problem found? If so, might it be worth making an offer which takes into account the cost of putting the chassis right?DarkMatter said:
Was chassis rust the only significant problem found? If so, might it be worth making an offer which takes into account the cost of putting the chassis right?
I agree, but the outriggers are an unknown property until body lifted. The rest of the car was ok but not stunning. Could become expensive for condition even after much work and money. Thread was due to lack of disclosure, not possible repair. Anything is possible at the right price if you know what you are getting. The thing is unless the seller has specifically stated it has a good chassis, if it has a current MOT then it is just another one out there for sale. It is up to a buyer to find out if it is a good one (as you did), if they don't and they come unstuck then they only have themselves to blame.
If you think the seller has lied then that is different.
If you think the seller has lied then that is different.
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