Another Pug 306 Brake Problem....

Another Pug 306 Brake Problem....

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Skyedriver

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17,975 posts

283 months

Tuesday 11th December 2012
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My wife has had the 306 HDi for 9 years and in that time I have constantly been returning to the rear calipers that seem to seize on a daily basis.

I've changed calipers, removed the sliders, I've tried copper slip, high melting grease, oil and light oil peetrating fluid. Currently, one side is fine and slided nicely on 10W/40.

The other side is on light penetrating oil (after trying oil) the caliper slided back and forth quite easily by hand without the pads in. The pads slide on the carrier, BUT when I try to use the brakes, it sticks, needs a gentle tap or lever with a screw driver to free it. On the road it seems like the wheel is locked. Frees off on the road eventually but by then the car has slowed down going down hill and the wheel is hot!

Trouble is the car doesn't need discs on the rear.

PhillipM

6,524 posts

190 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Have you tried using a brake lube instead of any and all weird and unsuitable solutions you had to hand? Penetrating oil is mainly solvent and usually eats rubber seals after a while...

HustleRussell

24,772 posts

161 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Are the pads moving freely in the carriers? When I had this problem on a Mondeo (which are notorious for rear brakes seizing up), the calipers were fine but I had to remove the pads from their carriers with a hammer!
Once the pads were out, I thoroughly wire brushed the carriers and filed the mating surfaces slightly smoother, and re-assembled it with a little copper slip on the edges and backs of the pads. No further problems in the final year I owned the car.

Old Merc

3,503 posts

168 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Two idea`s?? (1) have a look at the brake pressure regulator (if fitted)it will be on the o/side of the rear subframe.Check that the lever moves by hand and is nice and "springy",not seized.(2)The rear flexible brake pipes can collapse inside,the brake fluid does not "return" causing the rear brakes to hold pressure and stay on.
To check this theory,when the rear brakes are hot and binding,undo a bleed nipple to see if that releases the brakes??.I`ve had this many times on the old 405`s but never a 306?In fact never had much trouble with these calipers which are the same as the old 205GTi,all simple stuff.As long as everything is free and put together correctly??

Skyedriver

Original Poster:

17,975 posts

283 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Brake lube, didn't know about that, what is it actually though
Penetrating fluid was an experiment to clean out any crud TBH
The pads free enough in the carrier all cleaned up
Hadn't thought about the hoses crumbling internally
Don't think it could be a brake balance as one side is ok
Tend to think its the hose....
Cheers

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

162 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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I had sim probs with a well ragged 205gti the limiter would stick if the brakes were hit hard and one side would bind ,cracking the nipple free'd it of till the next time ,finnaly fitted a valve , no more probs

Old Merc

3,503 posts

168 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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[quote=Skyedriver]Brake lube, didn't know about that, what is it actually though

"Copperslip" grease on all metal parts,its mechanic`s gold and I use tubs of it.

Skyedriver

Original Poster:

17,975 posts

283 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Copperslip was one of the earlier fails I'm afraid

HereBeMonsters

14,180 posts

183 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Can you convert it to a rear drum beam?

Condi

17,321 posts

172 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Cant say Ive had the same problems on mine, but replacement callipers arnt overly expensive nor difficult to change.

shogun001

253 posts

167 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Copperslip causes the rubber seals to swell which in turn causes it to bind...

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

162 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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shogun001 said:
Copperslip causes the rubber seals to swell which in turn causes it to bind...
Never known any prob with this in40+ years why you ask ----- dont put it on the pistons !!!!